Ice-T (00:00:29):

So I'm with all these different legendary Crips and stuff, uh, you just start wearing blue, you just start wearing the Colors and stuff like that. So I've never jumped into a gang. I- I was a gang affiliate. I knew all the gang members, I knew all the shot callers, I knew all them niggas from sixties, everything. Niggas from Harlem, niggas from [inaudible 00:00:50], but I never really had to become part of a gang. People that were gang, [inaudible 00:00:55] I never really was a gang member, you know.

Go Mack (00:00:58):

Same this us.

Ice-T (00:00:58):

Huh?

Go Mack (00:00:58):

Same with us.

LayLaw (00:00:58):

[crosstalk 00:00:58].

Ice-T (00:00:58):

Yeah, I never went. And- and sometimes just from the hood, you know what [inaudible 00:01:03] it is over there and they respect you. But you know, I never had to put in work for the set. I never did none of that shit. But at the same time, I could get your head knocked off because I knew the right niggas-

LayLaw (00:01:15):

Exactly.

Ice-T (00:01:15):

(laughs).

LayLaw (00:01:15):

That's- that's the same way we grew up.

Go Mack (00:01:19):

We went to fremont 00:01:19].

LayLaw (00:01:19):

We- we- we grew up on the street that- that separated the sets. Right behind us was East Coast. Right on the other side, [inaudible 00:01:27]. So and the school separately-

Ice-T (00:01:30):

Fremont?

LayLaw (00:01:30):

Yeah. We grew up on that street. So we was getting money. Uh, my family, everybody, [crosstalk 00:01:35]-

Ice-T (00:01:35):

What streets were you on?

LayLaw (00:01:36):

We grew up on 76, 76 place. [crosstalk 00:01:39].

Ice-T (00:01:38):

Look, my- my- my- my daughter's mother was on 73rd & Hoover, right between Hoover and Florence. So right over in that area, they all went to Fremont. And-

LayLaw (00:01:48):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:01:48):

... that was when Hoover was called ... When I grew up, they would call 7459 Hoover Crips.

LayLaw (00:01:52):

Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:01:53):

Right?

Go Mack (00:01:56):

74 Hoover.

Ice-T (00:01:56):

(laughs) yeah.

LayLaw (00:01:56):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:01:56):

But it was 7459, so it-

Go Mack (00:01:57):

[crosstalk 00:01:57].

Ice-T (00:01:57):

... it included the sixties, you know, of that part. But I was like, you know, so ... But that's something that people that aren't from LA, they don't understand. They think, well, you is either e- in a gang, or are you want in a gang. I'm like, technically everybody un- is under gang poli-

LayLaw (00:02:17):

Affiliates. Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:02:17):

... politics.

LayLaw (00:02:17):

Yeah.

Go Mack (00:02:18):

No matter what they believe.

LayLaw (00:02:19):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:02:19):

Dig it, my daughter- my daughter was never in a gang. So, uh, she was staying with her moms in the jungle. So I'm not thinking so I go out and I bought her some blue sneakers. She said, "Daddy, I can't wear them." I'm like, why, what ... And she said, "You forget where I live? I'm in the jungles. And I ..." She said, "I just don't need the drama." I said ... I had to respect that. I mean, you know, you ain't no gang banger, is ... No, no, no. But I ... [inaudible 00:02:48].

LayLaw (00:02:47):

I just can't wear it. Yeah.

Ice-T (00:02:50):

I can't wear it. And I said, I- I- I understand it, she don't need nobody checking her over her shoe wear-

LayLaw (00:02:54):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:02:54):

... you know, which could turn into something. So, you know. But LA niggas really been in the streets. You know, you have to learn how to move and- and this that. And you don't necessarily have to be in a gang to end up in some gang shit.

LayLaw (00:03:09):

Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:03:11):

Yeah, yeah. [inaudible 00:03:11].

Ice-T (00:03:11):

(laughs). Yeah, yeah.

LayLaw (00:03:12):

All right, yeah.

Ice-T (00:03:12):

But the listeners don't, so I try to let the listeners in on this because-

Go Mack (00:03:16):

Go ahead.

Ice-T (00:03:17):

... every once in a while-

LayLaw (00:03:19):

What if ...

Ice-T (00:03:20):

... they get it twisted.

LayLaw (00:03:22):

Oh, you was finna say something?

Speaker 4 (00:03:23):

Oh, no. [crosstalk 00:03:23].

Ice-T (00:03:24):

Look, [inaudible 00:03:24] from Brooklyn, right? They from Brooklyn. He learned the gang quick.

LayLaw (00:03:28):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:03:30):

(laughs). Like, and he's still alive. You either learn it or you don't make it.

Speaker 4 (00:03:33):

I like it. You know, I come from Brooklyn. I came in, I used to sit in front of the Hoovers back in the day. We ain't know what that was, we just rocked. Like remember we did that park back in the day, the [inaudible 00:03:42] act. We just came out, just like Juggalos. And when Crips was just ... I mean, Bloods standing around us, we was like, smiling and just rocking.

LayLaw (00:03:50):

That probably was the best thing for you too [crosstalk 00:03:50].

Speaker 4 (00:03:50):

Yeah. It was just natural.

LayLaw (00:03:51):

Because you didn't have no affiliation. Your affiliation-

Speaker 4 (00:03:52):

Yeah.

LayLaw (00:03:52):

... was to what y'all was doing. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (00:03:54):

It was tall, we're having a good time but it was crazy. We was the Casa Camino, me and Ice was on the table looking at Eight Trays and Sixties just like-

Ice-T (00:04:01):

Killing each other.

Speaker 4 (00:04:02):

Yeah. Like I was saying-

Ice-T (00:04:02):

That's the night they killed somebody.

Speaker 4 (00:04:03):

... But that was at the Olympic auditorium, the firefight Freddie was injured.

Ice-T (00:04:07):

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know-

Speaker 4 (00:04:09):

You was there. [crosstalk 00:04:12].

Ice-T (00:04:12):

... e- every- everybody ... Everybody-

Speaker 4 (00:04:15):

[inaudible 00:04:15].

Ice-T (00:04:15):

... So if- if you survive like C- Cubes [inaudible 00:04:17] how to survive in south central, you know, you got to know. And see, what happened with me was, um, as I got to Crenshaw and I seen all the gangs, I started getting connected to the place. So now the players is coming to school with perms and- and motherfucking wearing tailor-mades, going downtown and getting some tailors with Ali flaps and Vegas Vs and all that shit.

Speaker 4 (00:04:41):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:04:41):

And pad rolling dice and- and learning about firing Ts and- and- and all these different hustler ways. And you know, since I was light-skinned with light eyes, I ... Hoe ... I was already had ... I was magnetic with bitches.

LayLaw (00:04:54):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:04:54):

So I was like, you know, this is ... Imma fuck with these player niggas, and that's where the player-ness shit came from, you know? And-

LayLaw (00:05:02):

Were you rapping at that point?

Ice-T (00:05:02):

No. I didn't even know what rap was. I was-

LayLaw (00:05:07):

When- when- when did you first- first start? What was your fast rap? Did you start like [crosstalk 00:05:10]-

Ice-T (00:05:10):

First rap. And well see, before I became Ice-T-

LayLaw (00:05:13):

All right, speak on that. Before you became ... You said before you ... So-

Ice-T (00:05:17):

I was-

LayLaw (00:05:17):

... when, when, when did Ice-T, [inaudible 00:05:19] become?

Ice-T (00:05:21):

Ice-T came from before that. See, got to remember, there was a transformation in me. So when I first got to Crenshaw, I was dressing like a gang banger because I had to adapt to that gang culture. So you would see me, I have on my motherfucking Levis and the [croker sacks 00:05:37] with the suspenders down and the bomber jacket and the ACE deuce and the, you know, the whole ... I will, I look just like I was Cripping, you know, because ... But I wasn't really in the set, but all my niggas was Crips.

LayLaw (00:05:49):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:05:50):

So I- I dress like them, you know, but you know, everything with a flag, you know, I hanging no flags out of my pockets, but niggas, I come to school every day, khaki-ed up. You dig what I'm saying? I used to take out my rollers in homeroom. You did? So I was that nigga. You did? (laughs).

LayLaw (00:06:05):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:06:06):

Coming in like that, pow. But then, by the 11th grade, I started hanging out with more players. Now, early, when I was like on the gang banger shit, they would call me 'Crazy Trey'. That was my earliest street name, like, 'cause my real name's Tracy. Niggas used to say, "Yo, that's a bitch name, nigga." And I had to fight ... Right? I just met you my nigga.

LayLaw (00:06:26):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:06:26):

Like really? Like ... so I- I- We ... I shortened that to Tray, and they called it the Crazy Trey. So I used to write crazy three, right? But then I ... When I got to 11th grade, I started reading Iceberg Slim, 'cause Go ... My nigga Go Off, uh, rest in peace. And Pie Face, them niggas would come to school. They had these books, Donald Cohen's books and Iceberg Slim books in they pocket. So I said, "Man, what is that?" "Nigga, this is that game, nigga. You can't had this, man."

Ice-T (00:06:54):

So I went and got it. I cracked it open. Abs- I was intrigued with that shit. You know.. Bitch looked at me like a slave set free, you know. Bitch walked through raindrops, bitch. Fuck this corner-

Go Mack (00:07:05):

[crosstalk 00:07:05].

Ice-T (00:07:05):

... if not the other. Bring me that money if you got the fuck with ... Suck your ... Fuck off your brother, bitch.

Go Mack (00:07:11):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:07:11):

You know, so I'm like, yo, this is some real shit. So I- I kinda got off into that. And that same time, now I'm curling my hair, you know, so the pimping just kinda like got into me. So niggas used to say, "Say some more of that ice stuff, T." Like ice. So basically, Ice-T is short for iceberg, because I can quote Iceberg Slims, you know. And uh, now here you got a 16-year-old nigga quoting a 50-year-old man. So I was, I was tremendous. You know, the hoes couldn't really understand why I'm getting all this game.

LayLaw (00:07:42):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:07:42):

I'm looking at the bitch, say, "Yeah bitch, you know, you know." You know, I ... Bitch looked at me in the acid, bitch, I struggled to remain calm while you were saying that, baby." So she's like, this nigga's fly, but I'm in the book. Like okay, I got more work.

LayLaw (00:07:54):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:07:56):

But that led ... And so that just led to just learning how to say toast and stuff. But now, I'm trying to keep the Crips off my bumper so I'm making Crip rhymes. So like I'm ... I started rhyming for the gangs. That's where I really started rhyming, before beats came in.

LayLaw (00:08:14):

Okay.

Ice-T (00:08:15):

So I'm like strolling through the city in the middle of the night, niggas on my left, niggas on my right yelling, "C- c- crib." Every nigga I see, if you bad enough, come with me. I seen another nigga, I say, "Crip again." He say, "Fuck a Crip, nigga. This is Brim." So we pulled out the Roscoe. Roscoe said, "Crack." I look again, nigga was shooting back. So we fell to the ground, aimed for his head, one more shot and the nigga was dead. Walked over to him, took his gun, spit in his face and began to run. So if you see another laying dead in the street in a puddle of blood from his head to his feet, hope it's time all you bustas get hip, it's fuck a Brim. Nigga, this west side, Crib.

LayLaw (00:08:51):

Yeah.

Go Mack (00:08:51):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:08:52):

So now, the gang banging niggas like, we like this nigga. We like him. Let this nigga live, this nigga can live. Matter of fact, he can stay right here. Nigga, [inaudible 00:09:01], nigga. Yeah, that's my nigga, man. Say one ... Number ... Turn- turn that on.

LayLaw (00:09:05):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:09:05):

Say- say another one. Say another one.

Go Mack (00:09:07):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:09:07):

So I say another one. So ... And um, that's w- that's where I learned how to do. Want me do another one?

LayLaw (00:09:12):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:09:13):

Yeah, yeah. Uh, uh ... Fall into a party on a Saturday night and I left pad down and out for a fight. Had on my waistline leather, Levi's cuffed. Under the coat, I knew I was buff, 'cause I was driving the iron, getting ready for that set. And I was packing a punch a nigga never forget. I had a ring in my ear was hanging halfway to the floor. 'Cause that's when Crips used to hang a chain on it.

Ice-T (00:09:33):

And uh ... And I- I was so tight. I walked sideways out the door. Now my hooptie, it was lifted. Front side and rear, glass was all tinted, wasn't none of clear. Craiger down with a cold ass pearl to deep this diamond [inaudible 00:09:47] goddamn world. I had quadraphonic headphones with the tone you could fix. Under the seat, I had a 30 yacht six.

Ice-T (00:09:54):

On the way to the party, I was scraping and hopping 'cause I knew by the end of the night, there was going to be some popping. When I got to the set, I [inaudible 00:10:01] lay on the ground. The Buddhist came to check it out from Chinatown. And when I fell in the party, there was bitches for days. I was looking crazy in some hella fire ways.

Ice-T (00:10:10):

I just walked in the corner, listen to this, they talk first James Brown record, I jumped up and Cripped walked. Now, I was walking so hard, couldn't no one compete. I bought to turnout that party with my goddamn feet. But there's some niggas, when it got out of the line, and his nose, my fists had no trouble to find. After driving the iron so hard all that day, I drove that nigga's grill in one hell of a way. But his partners fell out, so did mine. The squabbling went on for quite a long time. Then all of a sudden, I heard some popping, I knew not too soon, this fight would be stopping.

Ice-T (00:10:39):

I seen .22, .38s and a .45. I knew not too much would be left alive. The niggas broke out in a goddamn rage. I even think I seen the sawed-off gauge. But homie, I was sent from hell not heaven. I broke out with the chrome plated .357. And the name of the game is simply survival. At the end of the night, 10 was dead on arrival. And me and my partners, we was gone like the winds.

Ice-T (00:11:01):

Police blamed it on the Crips and the Brims. But some niggas knew in the corner in the dark, them crazy niggas reside in Triangle Park, they go by the name of Burnett Zell and Trey. And they belonged to the association called the EPA. That's when we caught ourselves the Eliminators Pimping Association.

LayLaw (00:11:21):

Okay.

Ice-T (00:11:21):

You dig? (laughs).

LayLaw (00:11:21):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:11:21):

Come on, LayLaw. You know that's that shit. Now I would-

LayLaw (00:11:22):

Oh my God.

Ice-T (00:11:23):

... I- I could intrigue niggas with this- this pre-rap, Go Mack.

LayLaw (00:11:27):

And that was like blowfly, like that was some [crosstalk 00:11:28]-

Ice-T (00:11:28):

It's player shit.

LayLaw (00:11:29):

... Know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:11:30):

But it- it's player-

LayLaw (00:11:31):

There was story telling, there was all that shit at once. You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:11:33):

Right. But it's player, but then you got your gang banging shit in there, you know?

LayLaw (00:11:37):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:11:37):

S- falling in the set, Crip walking, all that. So it was that mixture. So when I first heard Rapper's Delight, I ... By then, I was in the army, uh, LayLaw. I was in the army.

LayLaw (00:11:46):

Yeah. They all know you was a ranger.

Ice-T (00:11:48):

Yeah. All that, all that means I can have you killed quick.

Speaker 4 (00:11:52):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:11:52):

But no. I could hit you from across the block, Jack. But no, all that is a bunch of cardio. But other than that, I- I- I went to the army. And while I was in the army, uh, I w- I- I knew Uncle Jamm's was active, and I knew Bay Five was active. And I knew all the promoters was ... Was the LA promotion scene was happening. So I- I- my plan was, Imma buy a bunch of stereo equipment and come out and throw parties. That was my plan. So I bought a bunch of stereo equipment.

LayLaw (00:12:24):

Still even haven't made a demo, and then yeah.

Ice-T (00:12:26):

Uh, rapping came out yet.

LayLaw (00:12:29):

Okay.

Ice-T (00:12:29):

And so then I'm in the army, but you in there with New York niggas. And New York niggas had tapes. See, people got- got the generations of hip hop fucked up. First generation is unrecorded, unrecorded hip hop. When it was just on tapes, before niggas made records. That has to be the first generation, when people would get ahold of them tapes-

LayLaw (00:12:49):

Yes, yes.

Ice-T (00:12:49):

... when you had them tapes. Nobody wants to claim that as the first gen but that is the first generation.

Speaker 4 (00:12:54):

Yeah, [crosstalk 00:12:54].

LayLaw (00:12:54):

Yeah, yeah.

Go Mack (00:12:54):

First recorded.

Ice-T (00:12:54):

Huh?

Speaker 5 (00:12:55):

[inaudible 00:12:55].

Ice-T (00:12:55):

Just all that. The LA, the- the New York-

Speaker 4 (00:13:00):

It's cassettes.

Ice-T (00:13:00):

The- the cassettes like-

Speaker 4 (00:13:00):

The cassette era.

Ice-T (00:13:01):

... flashes on the beat box, all that stuff, the battle of [crosstalk 00:13:04]-

Speaker 4 (00:13:04):

All them niggas back in the day, was cassettes and we got it from the Bronx.

LayLaw (00:13:07):

[crosstalk 00:13:07] cassettes.

Ice-T (00:13:07):

Yeah.

LayLaw (00:13:07):

One hunna.

Go Mack (00:13:08):

Talking about [Wild Stop 00:13:08], Busy Bee or before all that?

Speaker 4 (00:13:10):

Yeah. That, all that.

Ice-T (00:13:10):

Yeah. No, that time, that time where I saw Busy Bee, but that's where the first generation.

Go Mack (00:13:15):

Yeah, it was the cassette era.

Ice-T (00:13:16):

Th- the first recorded generation will be, start with Sugar Hill Gang.

Go Mack (00:13:20):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:13:20):

Uh, Curtis Blow.

Go Mack (00:13:21):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:13:22):

Run Fat Boys, and all them. I was the third generation, which was me, Public Enemy, Eric B. & Rakim, EPMD. We got on [crosstalk 00:13:32].

Go Mack (00:13:31):

I always thought you was out before running into them.

Ice-T (00:13:33):

No. Mm-mm (negative). No, Run DMC was first.

Go Mack (00:13:36):

Rhyme Pays came out where?

Ice-T (00:13:38):

After that. Because I remember going to-

LayLaw (00:13:40):

'85.

Ice-T (00:13:41):

Eight ... Yeah, '85 or something. I remember going to see Run DMC at the LA sports arena.

Go Mack (00:13:48):

Me too.

Ice-T (00:13:48):

And it made me decide to be a rapper.

Go Mack (00:13:50):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:13:51):

When I saw, when I saw them and the lasers. Because at this point, we ... I was already with him and then but we were only playing house parties and bullshit. Like garages and shit. When I saw that shit in the sports arena, I'm like, this shit is going to be big.

Speaker 4 (00:14:09):

[inaudible 00:14:09] Rodger?

Ice-T (00:14:10):

It's just ... It was at th- the LA sports arena.

Go Mack (00:14:13):

That was my first concert. [inaudible 00:14:14] opened up for Egyptian Lover.

Speaker 4 (00:14:18):

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, it was Uncle Jamm [inaudible 00:14:18]. Yeah.

Ice-T (00:14:18):

But- but no, when- when they did that, that was, that was small. But when I saw the full-

Speaker 4 (00:14:22):

[crosstalk 00:14:22].

Ice-T (00:14:22):

... when I saw Jim as a Jim, and that riser-

Go Mack (00:14:24):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:14:24):

... and the ... L ... I think [inaudible 00:14:26] came out the radios and ... I was like-

Speaker 4 (00:14:29):

Yeah, that was Uncle Jamm-

Ice-T (00:14:29):

... this shit is going to be huge.

Speaker 4 (00:14:30):

Yeah. Hell yeah.

Ice-T (00:14:32):

And I think that's when I really took it fucking serious. I was like, yo. I think I went home and wrote an album that night, my nigga. I was like ... Because until somebody does something, you don't know it can be done.

LayLaw (00:14:44):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:14:44):

And when you see it at that magnitude, I was like ...

Speaker 4 (00:14:48):

Yeah. And that's some radio [crosstalk 00:14:50].

Ice-T (00:14:50):

O- okay, okay this rock and roll. This isn't just some club shit. Now, at the same time, I got my one foot in the hustle. And I was like, I got to let one of these go, because I know in- infamy and fame don't match. You did? I was like, you know-

LayLaw (00:15:06):

That's a hard decision, because the rap wasn't making no money.

Ice-T (00:15:07):

Uh, no one had bought a car yet.

LayLaw (00:15:08):

U know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:15:09):

So I decided, I said, "You know what?" I d- I knew my days was numbered in low digits because my- my- my crew that I was hustling with, most of them was in prison. Matt Shawnee was in prison.

Go Mack (00:15:22):

Shawnee, that's [crosstalk 00:15:22].

Ice-T (00:15:22):

All- all- all my guys that I was rolling with had ... Were doing biz. So I had to check my ego. Do I think I'm better, I'm smarter? Do I not think this is going to catch up with me eventually? Niggas is calling me from jail, "Ice, don't come here, cuz. Don't come here, nigga." You know, they don't ... Niggas in here don't know nothing about no Dom [inaudible 00:15:43]. These niggas don't know nothing about no filet mignon. These niggas is times five and six blue rags around they motherfucking head. Nigga, you can't ... You won't come up in here. They gonna turn you into a savage. You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:15:53):

I was like, look, man ... I- I- I listened. You know, these are niggas I looked up to. They was like, "Don't come, Ice. Don't. You know, nigga you still out here, man. Figure it out." So I had to figure it out.

Ice-T (00:16:05):

And I went broke. I went real broke. And you know, some of my other niggas that were still out with active, you know, would come through and ... But you know, it's- it's- it's like, it's like heroin addiction when you really ... When you know you can go snap your finger and get 20,000 or whatever but you just have decided not to, you know?

Go Mack (00:16:27):

That's when I met Shawnee, when he got.

Ice-T (00:16:31):

Shawnee went back. Did first time and ... Shawnee ... Now, let me tell you about Shawnee Shawn, since we own this [inaudible 00:16:35].

Go Mack (00:16:35):

That's my guy, man. He's already [crosstalk 00:16:36]-

Ice-T (00:16:35):

Shawnee Shawn was a driver known to give free [inaudible 00:16:38], right? Shawn and them niggas had 100 pounds of weed i- in a spot in Inglewood. Beat Master V, my drummer from Body Count, rest in peace. He, uh, he, uh ... So these niggas got- got ... They breaking down the pounds in this spot. Vic decides to serve out the front door of this spot that they ... You know, this is not where you're supposed to sell it from. Right?

LayLaw (00:17:03):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ice-T (00:17:03):

Now, this house got all kind of stolen in it. Fila sweatsuits, all kinds of shit like that. I had a hot G ... I had a G in the back, uh, in- in the garage, in the back of this spot. Uh, there was a whole bunch of shit, I could speak on it now. That's your limitations, but there was a- a- a whole bunch of cameras and electronic equipment, 'cause niggas had hijacked the Best Buys trucks. I'm talking about, niggas had shit up in this spot.

Ice-T (00:17:30):

Now, that was my work, the electronics. Shawnee had the weed. When they raided him, they wanted to know about my shit more than the weed. 'Cause my was a 25-year bid, you know, for high jacking. And Shawnee held water. He's like, man give me ... I'm a weed dealer, man. I don't know. This is a ... This is a crime house. Niggas be in and out of this motherfucker.

Go Mack (00:17:54):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:17:54):

Sta- stake it out, bust me and then see who comes to get that shit. But I don't know about me, man. This ... I don't do this, I sell weed, you know? And they gave him five years for that, you know, but he could have snitched. If Shawnee would have ratted me out, there probably wouldn't never be no Ice-T. You see what I'm saying? That would've been the ... It was ... It would've been ... That would've been it.

Go Mack (00:18:10):

Did he [inaudible 00:18:10] a Blazer then?

Ice-T (00:18:14):

No.

Go Mack (00:18:14):

Oh, the Blazer when he came out.

Ice-T (00:18:15):

When he came out of jail, when he came out of jail, I [inaudible 00:18:19].

Go Mack (00:18:19):

Okay. That's when he got the Blazer.

Ice-T (00:18:22):

He got the gold Blazer. He got the Blazer, we put the gold Daytons on it.

Go Mack (00:18:25):

[inaudible 00:18:25].

Ice-T (00:18:25):

Yeah. Yeah. Everything was love-love. Right? But then, but then one day he felt he was ... But, but you know, it was no- Not like I bought him the Blazer, but now he came back home and everybody had money and we made sure everybody was looking right, right? So Shawn gets the Blazer and uh, he goes, he goes over his girl's house and he looks out and the cop ... He did three year and a five. He goes out and looks out the window and uh, the cops is fucking with the Blazer. And the nigga for a split sec- second thought he had rights. What did he do?

Go Mack (00:19:04):

Go outside to talk.

Ice-T (00:19:05):

Oh, what y'all doing?

LayLaw (00:19:06):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:19:08):

Nigga, what are you ... We doing? What are you doing?

LayLaw (00:19:10):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:19:11):

They come up (laughs).

Go Mack (00:19:13):

Wow.

Ice-T (00:19:13):

Okay. Run your shit. Oh, you're on parole? So we can just run up in this crib.

LayLaw (00:19:18):

[inaudible 00:19:18]. Yeah.

Ice-T (00:19:18):

Ran up in the crib, found .38 in a shoe box, that was his girls and- and violated him. He had to go back and finish off his bid, five. So he did two more, I think, in- in Chino and stuff. But you know, you know, I- I still hold him ... Hold that moment dear because a lot of niggas would have been like, Oh, what? Oh, you'll let me go? And they would have told, you know? But there was a code back then.

Go Mack (00:19:43):

I told you, different rules now.

Ice-T (00:19:44):

(laughs). There was a code back then. So you know, he- he ... And then, and I ... And- and there was a lot of shit there that he ... You know, my car, I had a hot car. (laughs). We was just fucking up. But that was like the crime house, that was a spot. That was not meant for to live in, sleep in, that was just a spot. Like, I guess they would call it the trap now, you know, but you know.

Speaker 4 (00:20:07):

For a hot car too. (laughs).

Go Mack (00:20:09):

He though he had rights, huh. He thought he had right. Lemme go tell them what you doing to my car?

Ice-T (00:20:13):

Hey, hey. Officer. Ha-ha, nigga.

LayLaw (00:20:15):

(laughs).

Go Mack (00:20:15):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:20:18):

Nigga, you on parole, nigga. You know? And then he didn't even know the girl had a, had a, had a, had a gun in the car. He got busted before with my tech nine. Shawnee was having bad luck-

LayLaw (00:20:28):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:20:29):

... but you know, we was all kids. And at that time, you reckless 'cause you're in your 20s, you're 19, you're 20. And you feel like you could do five or 10 years.

LayLaw (00:20:38):

Yeah.

Speaker 5 (00:20:39):

Yeah, [crosstalk 00:20:39].

Ice-T (00:20:39):

So ...

LayLaw (00:20:39):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:20:40):

Yeah. A lot- a lot- a lot of things that once you hit 30, 40, 50, you like, aah ...

LayLaw (00:20:44):

You ain't got no time [crosstalk 00:20:44].

Speaker 5 (00:20:46):

30 seconds for [crosstalk 00:20:46]-

LayLaw (00:20:46):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:20:46):

I can't- I can't ... That's right, I don't got ... But back then, you wild. That's why, when you look at these youngsters, I'm like, they wild. You know, they know they can probably come back home from a murder.

LayLaw (00:20:56):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:20:56):

You know? So, uh, I don't test them because I already know my mentality at that age, how I felt about all these niggas.

Go Mack (00:21:04):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:21:04):

You know? I'm like, you know, you could get it too, you know? So I don't- I don't play in the streets with these kids. Yeah.

Go Mack (00:21:13):

Speaking of old school, Law, the first time we went to New York, my life was Busy B. He ain't know how much I was a Busy Bee fan though. He just hanging out with Busy B.

LayLaw (00:21:21):

I love Busy. Busy is my guy.

Go Mack (00:21:22):

We- we just came off of some LL show. They- they're having a ball-

Ice-T (00:21:24):

Right.

Go Mack (00:21:25):

... and I'm on the call like, this nigga wanna call [inaudible 00:21:26].

LayLaw (00:21:25):

(laughs).

Go Mack (00:21:26):

I- I just told this nigga to [inaudible 00:21:26]. Nigga, that's [inaudible 00:21:26].

Ice-T (00:21:26):

Right.

Go Mack (00:21:31):

I tell Law everything about it. Remember this? Oh, like that's my dude. I'm like ... that's Busy Bee. You talking about your dude. Nigga, that is Busy ... Like, what's up? Early- early hip hop was all Busy. Boy, that was oh my God.

LayLaw (00:21:41):

Before all the east coast, west coast stuff, it was- it was more love like. You know what I'm saying? Like I- I love the old school east coast cats.

Ice-T (00:21:48):

Because rappers are rappers and we're all fans and no one can tell-

LayLaw (00:21:51):

You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:21:51):

... no one can tell you who to be a fan of. So like when people like, Oh, you west coast, I would be in New York, I'm like, well, these girls like obviously don't know whether I'm west coast or not, they just like the music.

LayLaw (00:22:02):

You like the bridge, really. You like, you like, you like really bridged from the east coast to the west coast that, that brought it to us in a, in a sense, be- because you was respected so much on the east coast. Know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:22:15):

Well, I got signed on the east coast. I got signed, like Islam got me signed on the east coast. So where LA was bullshitting with me and I was going out on Macola Records and all that old bullshit, you know, getting rob-

LayLaw (00:22:28):

You went through the Macola thing?

Ice-T (00:22:30):

Everybody did. Everybody. I was over there-

LayLaw (00:22:32):

So 6' N The Mornin' was through Macola?

Ice-T (00:22:33):

Yeah.

Go Mack (00:22:33):

Yeah, I think the unknown record-

Ice-T (00:22:37):

On- on- on electro beat.

Go Mack (00:22:38):

Okay.

Ice-T (00:22:39):

Through unknown DJ.

Speaker 4 (00:22:41):

T T&M.

Ice-T (00:22:41):

Look, these ain't even hooked this shit up. The damn interview's over my nigga. Or, y'all recording sound though, right?

Speaker 6 (00:22:47):

I'm recording sound [inaudible 00:22:48].

Ice-T (00:22:48):

Okay. Okay. Cool. 'Cause I never seen a production company so unfunk-de-matic. You got a camera over here. You niggas got the light in this side. But whatever, I guess it's going to be dope.

Go Mack (00:22:59):

[inaudible 00:22:59].

Ice-T (00:22:59):

I guess it'll be hard.

Go Mack (00:23:00):

(laughs).

LayLaw (00:23:02):

We gone ... We- we- we gone- we gone put it together. As long as we get something, we going to put it together.

Ice-T (00:23:05):

Yeah, you got the sound.

LayLaw (00:23:06):

Next time, you got to come onto the [inaudible 00:23:08].

Ice-T (00:23:08):

Absolutely. But you seen the situation.

LayLaw (00:23:10):

And I seen. I appreciate you.

Ice-T (00:23:11):

If- if I had to-

LayLaw (00:23:11):

We talked this morning.

Ice-T (00:23:12):

If I had to-

LayLaw (00:23:13):

When you said, "Law, I gotta go to Dre. I'm gonna be out of here for a little while. I'm gonna call you when I leave it from Dre, I got to do an interview, c- come by after that, and here we are.

Ice-T (00:23:22):

Yeah. Exactly.

LayLaw (00:23:22):

All the same day. You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:23:25):

Exactly. I was like ... I- I was trying to schedule it, but it's crazy. It's crazy. But you know, you make time for people that you want to make time for. You dig what I'm saying?

LayLaw (00:23:33):

And I appreciate. We appreciate the love, man.

Ice-T (00:23:35):

I could be like, yo ... Who? Who wants to do an interview?

LayLaw (00:23:39):

[crosstalk 00:23:39].

Ice-T (00:23:39):

Who? Damn. Ah, man. I got to clean my sneakers during that period of time.

Speaker 4 (00:23:43):

[crosstalk 00:23:43].

Ice-T (00:23:43):

(laughs).

LayLaw (00:23:45):

People don't know that uh, Ice, Ice will always have [inaudible 00:23:47] like ... I look at him, like he my OG in this. Always been extremely, extremely like just good to a nigga. Ice left-

Ice-T (00:23:54):

That's how you live, dude.

LayLaw (00:23:56):

Ice, Ice, Ice opened up his home to me and letting me record a major portion of the Law House Experience at his house.

Ice-T (00:24:02):

Yeah.

Go Mack (00:24:03):

Shark tanks and all.

LayLaw (00:24:03):

Shark tanks and windows opening and roofs opening and all this kind of stuff.

Go Mack (00:24:07):

[inaudible 00:24:07].

LayLaw (00:24:08):

Didn't ask me for one ... Any.

Ice-T (00:24:10):

See, the thing about-

LayLaw (00:24:11):

Ice has rapped on many tracks for me, have not asked me for one penny, and be spitting fire on the motherfucker.

Ice-T (00:24:17):

Dog. Listen, dog.

LayLaw (00:24:18):

You know what I mean?

Ice-T (00:24:19):

Love keeps you alive out here, man. Not nobody's scared of nobody, man. Niggas know it's like, you know, it only takes six ounces of pressure. Niggas will pop you, kill you, 15 years old, 11-year-old nigga. Love keeps you alive.

Ice-T (00:24:35):

So say for instance, this is my inner sanctum. You niggas got love for me. Well, every one of the people, I may not know. You know 20 niggas outside, you speaking highly me. Those 20 are speaking to 20 more niggas, and they saying, "Yo, that's a lot of [inaudible 00:24:49] people. That's my nigga, dah, dah, dah."

Ice-T (00:24:50):

Now, somebody way over here get ready to do something crazy, they going to run into somebody that got love for me. They got ... Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Back that shit up. Ice? You can't have it.

Ice-T (00:25:01):

Now, fear. Oh nigga, [inaudible 00:25:05] nah, he's tough. Nigga ... Niggas will push right through fear. They don't give a about that. You know, that's a challenge to them. But with love now, when it becomes dangerous though is when your inner sanctum, somebody close to you goes left. 'Cause that's the nigga that can let niggas up on you. That's ...

Ice-T (00:25:23):

And whenever it happens, it's somebody, you know, really close. So I'm always very conscious of my closest friends and stuff because I know it just branches out into, you know ... And I never, I never been a do-low nigga. I always had this feeling, niggas that play dirty, do dirt, get dirt. Niggas-

Speaker 4 (00:25:40):

That's it, it all comes to light.

Ice-T (00:25:42):

Yeah. And you- you're not gonna win being greazy. You- you- you ... It just, it's just not, you know, it doesn't match-

Speaker 4 (00:25:49):

The long-term.

Ice-T (00:25:51):

You know, you might have to get gangster, but if that's your whole get down, like you think then you finna thug out your way throughout life, be a tough nigga, jacking niggas. No nigga, no.

Speaker 4 (00:26:02):

Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:26:03):

No. Nigga, your number's coming.

LayLaw (00:26:04):

Ice- Ice gave me an avenue for my book. I gave [inaudible 00:26:07] Ice, Ice number love, man. Number love.

Ice-T (00:26:10):

Because I'm a real live player, LayLaw. Players love giving compliments. Player want to throw great pupan at a nigga. Player want to see other niggas win, man. It's like, it's like, it has no reflection on me, man. When I see you, when you need help with something, that's fly, man. You know, that's just how I'm cut. I'm just cut like that, man.

Ice-T (00:26:31):

See, no man is great alone. You're only great when other great men speak of you in high regard. So regardless of who I think I am, if Go Mack walk outta here and he's speaking highly ... That's what makes me great. That's what makes you great, is what other people say, "LayLaw is a solid nigga." That's what ... That's your rep. Fuck what you think you are. Yeah nigga, I'm that nigga. Nigga, [inaudible 00:26:54] bitch ass nigga. You know, why would you want that energy to go out there?

Ice-T (00:26:58):

So your reputation and your behavior is, is paramount. It has to be, you know, impeccable, if you really want to be known as a fly nigga, you know? (laughs). And you know, you want to be known as a tough nigga, then go out and try to jack your way to the riches, and you gonna catch a hot one. 'Cause the niggas ain't with that.

Go Mack (00:27:18):

Like I said, you stopped us from drinking beer and you gave us a case of champagne.

Ice-T (00:27:22):

(laughs).

Go Mack (00:27:22):

[inaudible 00:27:22] say we used to fight every [inaudible 00:27:24].I already knew it was your job, niggas. Come here, dog. Now look here, man, I got a case of champagne. You need to stop drinking beer.

Ice-T (00:27:30):

Y'all was wild though. You niggas was wild. See, I'm much older than you. How old you, Mac?

Go Mack (00:27:34):

50.

Ice-T (00:27:36):

50. 50. So I'm- I'm- I'm 12 years older than you. I'm about to turn 62. So I was, I was older than everybody. So I- I- I could see the youth, but you know, I knew you niggas wasn't no bustas. I knew ... But I also knew you wasn't my enemy. So [inaudible 00:27:53] people arguing with me, they go, "Ice, you so cool and nice." I said, "Well, you're not my enemy." You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:27:58):

There's another nigga in here, but that's for them. You know what I'm saying? There's another nigga, you know, but that's not for you. Why I'm walking around being mean and rude to people that have done nothing to me?

Go Mack (00:28:10):

Chicago, you on stage, we go off. And you [inaudible 00:28:13], you let me use your [inaudible 00:28:15] machine-

Ice-T (00:28:15):

Yeah.

Go Mack (00:28:16):

... 'cause Scarface [inaudible 00:28:17], come on. I mean, it's West Coast, go. [inaudible 00:28:19] tape recorder. [inaudible 00:28:20]. Later on, we got to a fight [inaudible 00:28:24] on the stage, you was calling us to the side. Like [inaudible 00:28:28] come here, [inaudible 00:28:28]. Like Law was there, little DLC was there.

Ice-T (00:28:33):

Which one? In- in Texas?

Go Mack (00:28:34):

That's ... No, that's a whole 'nother fight. See, that- that's Houston in Texas. [inaudible 00:28:39] Chicago.

Speaker 4 (00:28:40):

Texas, [inaudible 00:28:41].

Go Mack (00:28:41):

You-

Ice-T (00:28:42):

Them niggas had [inaudible 00:28:43] nigga with a AK in the back.

LayLaw (00:28:45):

Yeah. [crosstalk 00:28:45]. Y'all remember that one? Yeah, y'all remember that Texas fight?

Speaker 4 (00:28:45):

Yeah.

Go Mack (00:28:45):

You were flavors on the side. You were flavor-flavor from the side. You like, come here, dog. Come here.

Speaker 4 (00:28:52):

It was in a golf course. Niggas pulled out guns out the garbage can for ... Uh, who was? For NWA? Fuck, yeah.

Ice-T (00:29:00):

Was you with me when we ... Were they there when we ... I knocked that nigga out in Kansas City on the stage?

Speaker 4 (00:29:04):

Oh no-

Ice-T (00:29:06):

That's a legendary one.

Speaker 4 (00:29:07):

No, [crosstalk 00:29:07].

Ice-T (00:29:07):

I had a legendary situation out there, but yeah, that was crazy. I had ... I was doing a show in Kansas City, and NWA was there.

Speaker 4 (00:29:17):

Oh, in the hotel room.

Ice-T (00:29:18):

NWA was there. No, you was on the ...

Speaker 4 (00:29:22):

... Um, um ... That was a nightclub, you went over the bridge, St. Louis.

Ice-T (00:29:25):

No, no. I'm talking about when the nigga came on the stage and- and I knocked him out. That's when Bob was there too. I was-

LayLaw (00:29:31):

That shit happen too much all the time.

Ice-T (00:29:32):

... I was, I was on the stage and I had this part. This is when I was with Darlene. So I had this part where I would ... Before I would do 6' N The Mornin', I would go, "My name is Ice-T, I got a rep like a killer, killer, killer. No one gets wilder, no one gets iller, iller, iller. I don't get high, I don't drink Miller. But if your bitch is empty, I'm sure I could fill her, fill her. I make stupid records 'cause I just don't care, care. Motherfuckers can't even play my shit on the air, air.

Ice-T (00:30:04):

But y'all know you like it. You say you want more 'cause every time I leave the crib and go to the store, I hear 6' N The Mornin' Poli- ... That's how we would go into it. So here I go, my show, "My name is Ice-T, I got a rep like a killer. I want to fuck that bitch, I want to fuck that bitch." I try to like act like-

Speaker 4 (00:30:22):

I remember.

Ice-T (00:30:22):

... this nigga was loud as the whole arena. No one gets Wilder, no one gets iller. I want to fuck that slutty bitch on ... [inaudible 00:30:31] getting on my nerves like ... So I was like, okay, okay. Okay, come on, come on, cuz. Bring this nigga on the state.

Ice-T (00:30:38):

So what happened was, it was a ... You know, there's a hole in the middle of the, uh, the place where the barricade is.

LayLaw (00:30:45):

Yes, yes.

Ice-T (00:30:45):

So the nigga was going to come up on the stage. Right? So I- I- I- they- they're bringing him right here and I- I seen where he was coming. I said, "I'm gonna have one shot at this." Right? So I back ... I was on some Eminem shit. So I seen him.

LayLaw (00:31:00):

[crosstalk 00:31:00].

Ice-T (00:31:00):

I backed up like three steps. I just had the right-

LayLaw (00:31:03):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:31:03):

I batched up.

Go Mack (00:31:03):

Shutting him up.

LayLaw (00:31:08):

[inaudible 00:31:08].

Ice-T (00:31:08):

I lined, I lined the nigga up.

Go Mack (00:31:10):

[inaudible 00:31:10].

Ice-T (00:31:11):

And yo, yo. Go Mack, when they put him on his stage, the nigga had to stand up like this. As soon as that nigga, I just was skip, bow. I hit him and I- I- my eyes were so focused. Like I can't miss him, I gotta hit him. And I- I just cli- I just came in. I caught him right on the door. Boom. This nigga did just like this. Wham, right onto the stage. I said, "Six in the morning, police at my door." Oh man, that whole place went crazy. They thought that shit was a rig.

Go Mack (00:31:38):

Yeah. You set that up perfectly.

Ice-T (00:31:40):

I ... I rocked the whole motherfucking shit. They dragged a nigga off the stage.

Go Mack (00:31:44):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:31:44):

Send him out the motherfucking backdoor, no shoes, no shirt. You know, you beat the clothes off a nigga.

LayLaw (00:31:49):

Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:31:50):

Walked him up. And uh, it's so funny 'cause years and years and years and years later, I keep meeting people that tell me, "Yo man, that was my man you hit."

Go Mack (00:32:02):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:32:02):

Like I made him famous.

LayLaw (00:32:03):

Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:32:04):

I made the nigga famous, man. That sh-

LayLaw (00:32:06):

[inaudible 00:32:06] that shit happens like that.

Ice-T (00:32:08):

And you know, it was before video tapes, there's no film on it. And then, and I remember like NWA niggas on the side of the stage like, goddamn, this shit is wild. This shit is wild 'cause it- it- it ... We- we kind of battled our way across the states. Like it would be a skirmish over here. There'd be a fight, you know, because you were an invading tour.

LayLaw (00:32:32):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:32:32):

You know, you coming to take their bitches, you coming-

Go Mack (00:32:35):

Oh God.

LayLaw (00:32:35):

Oh yeah. All that.

Speaker 4 (00:32:36):

Niggas be mad. It's my homeboy girl.

LayLaw (00:32:39):

Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:32:39):

It's my man's girl you talking to, like ...

LayLaw (00:32:41):

You up in this motherfucker [inaudible 00:32:42].

Ice-T (00:32:42):

Oh here ... Here go a good story? You want another story?

LayLaw (00:32:47):

I love it.

Ice-T (00:32:49):

Eazy-E. So Eazy-E and [inaudible 00:32:51], them niggas would take the bed and take the beds off the mattress and put ... Make out like a room of mattresses and shit. So I'm like, these niggas is wild, right? So we were someplace in Mississippi, and we were staying in a motel. So all the rooms faced the pools. So all of a sudden I heard some guy outside, "Mavis, are you in there? Mavis."

Ice-T (00:33:18):

So niggas was looking out the window, like yo, you with Mavis? And [inaudible 00:33:26]. "Mavis, Mavis." And then here she comes out [inaudible 00:33:28] like, like, "Carlton why are you making all this racket?" He said, "Mavis, don't leave me from these rap stars."

LayLaw (00:33:35):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:33:35):

Now, niggas is like ... Niggas is all ... The whole tour is looking like, oh my God, this is so sad. Right? And I know Easy is in there doing the lowest shit to this chick.

LayLaw (00:33:47):

[crosstalk 00:33:47].

Ice-T (00:33:48):

"Mavis, don't leave me for these raps stars." She says, "Carlton, just go home. Why are you making a fool like ..." I love you ... He said, "Mavis, I love you." She says, "Man, Carlton, you don't love me. You dog me."

LayLaw (00:34:02):

(laughs)..

Ice-T (00:34:02):

And the (laughs) you see Easy just snatch the bitch into the room, and boom. And we just sat there and seeing ol' boy, he's like so sad. [inaudible 00:34:11], I was like, yo, this is the most heartbreaking rap moment I've ever seen. But-

LayLaw (00:34:17):

Dude, I seen this kinda shit like that, damn near every night. That- that shit be like every night, somebody come looking for their ... That's why they throw it in the movie like that. It was, it was such a common thing [crosstalk 00:34:26]. You know what I mean?

Go Mack (00:34:28):

I remember you were ... One night, you said ... I had started smoking, "Aye, man. When are you going to [inaudible 00:34:33] reckless. Like look here, Go. I got [inaudible 00:34:35], I can't be doing all that old shit. But like man, come on.

Go Mack (00:34:36):

Shorty, shorty put me up to like, go ask him to see me. Go ask him to see me. Shorty [inaudible 00:34:43]. Aye, man. You were like, oh I got something, let- let me talk to you. So but tonight I got something special. I came out in tuxedos. You also in New Jack City.

Ice-T (00:34:51):

Yeah, yeah.

Go Mack (00:34:52):

And you said you- you did Pusherman?

Ice-T (00:34:53):

Yeah.

Go Mack (00:34:53):

And you killed it. You came out there. I said, "Damn, this nigga wore a tux." You said, "What do you think about that?" You had a tux on too, nigga, that night.

Ice-T (00:34:59):

Yeah, [crosstalk 00:34:59].

Go Mack (00:34:59):

Everybody had a tuxedo.

Ice-T (00:35:02):

And we ... We did it on tour, we did at some shows too.

Go Mack (00:35:03):

But you tested on the road. Like watch this, I got something special tonight, watch this. And just came out with a tux. [crosstalk 00:35:08].

Ice-T (00:35:10):

We's having fun. We's having a good-

LayLaw (00:35:10):

You got a favorite album?

Ice-T (00:35:13):

Probably OG. 'Cause OG was a double album.

LayLaw (00:35:15):

Okay.

Ice-T (00:35:16):

You know, it was 25 songs. So, you know, OG, you know, had New Jack Hustler on it, he had all kinds of records on it. You know, The Tower was on there. Um, you know. I think, OG, I felt that I had, hit my stride because Rhyme Pays was new. I was new. I didn't know how to make an album.

LayLaw (00:35:35):

[crosstalk 00:35:35], but Rhyme Pays was just so, just so ... Felt fucking, felt fucking-

Go Mack (00:35:41):

[inaudible 00:35:41].

Ice-T (00:35:41):

Yeah. Rhyme Pays is a play on crime pays.

LayLaw (00:35:42):

Rhyme pays, rhyme pays.

Ice-T (00:35:45):

Like, you know, here I am c- getting out of the game. And you know, got the Porsche, got the money. Then Rhyme Pays. And the next, Power, was me saying, "Wow, my words have power." And we had to cover with the uzi, and all that old was trying ... And then, then The Iceberg-

LayLaw (00:35:59):

[inaudible 00:35:59] all that shit was fly [crosstalk 00:36:00].

Ice-T (00:36:00):

... Iceberg/Freedom of Speech... Just Watch What You Say! And then by OG, I was in full stride at that time. You know, the record was going platinum. And I was just talking to my shit. And uh, yeah. I think that was like, you know, almost kind of like when I peaked, you know, that was it. And then it, then the game just started getting crazy. It was so honest, you know. That's also OG I introduced Body Count.

Go Mack (00:36:24):

Was Blue Jack Hustle on, um ...

Ice-T (00:36:29):

OG. Colors was never on any of my albums.

Go Mack (00:36:31):

It's the soundtrack to the movie.

Ice-T (00:36:33):

Yeah, yeah. Colors was never on anything of my albums.

Go Mack (00:36:36):

So you was [inaudible 00:36:37] when we was on the road?

Ice-T (00:36:39):

Yes.

Go Mack (00:36:39):

I remember that big ass pistol, that big ass long-

Ice-T (00:36:41):

And I had dreads. I ... They had me wearing dreads and shit like that, but you know, what you gonna say? You know, at the time, all that stuff was what was happening, you know? But I- I- I- re-insist that there was no ... You know, the way LA was moving, we was moving ... Like I told [inaudible 00:37:00]. I said, "Yo." He was like, I- I didn't feel no kind of way about NWA 'cause I- I liked having help.

Ice-T (00:37:06):

You know, you gotta remember, I was out two years before NWA came out. I had two albums out so I was by myself, you know? And niggas was like, you the only fly in LA, you know, there's 100 New York rappers. And then when NWA came, it was like, I was like, yeah, yeah. Nigga, yeah, yeah. There's niggas out here. You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (00:37:27):

And you know, we used ... Uh, we'd be oUt- out together, you know? And stuff. And now you tell the story later, you know, pop comes and all the different things that happened in those eras, you know, the history is so twisted, people, you know, they can't imagine how it went. You know, they get it all confused. But it don't matter. You know, to me, I'm like those who say don't know and those who know don't say, you know? Whenever I see an OG nigga, I'm like, you was there. So I got [crosstalk 00:37:54].

LayLaw (00:37:54):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:37:57):

You know, you really know. You know what happened that night. You know, all these, these stories and ...

Go Mack (00:38:03):

You was [inaudible 00:38:05] that day?

Ice-T (00:38:06):

Yeah, [crosstalk 00:38:07] was wilding.

Go Mack (00:38:08):

[inaudible 00:38:08].

Ice-T (00:38:09):

Look, look. I already knew ... I- I ... See, I already knew. I said, "Above the law, niggas is a problem. Them niggas is wild." I knew you niggas was wild. I saw, I saw um, 187 go in at, at um, at um-

LayLaw (00:38:22):

Celebrity.

Ice-T (00:38:23):

Yeah. Saw that first hand.

LayLaw (00:38:26):

You was there that night?

Ice-T (00:38:26):

Yeah. I was there. I seen ... Look, you did? I already know who crazy. I already know. So I'm like, okay, you know, but we all friends now. Love is love. You did what I'm saying? And that- that was needed. You know, nobody shot nobody.

Go Mack (00:38:44):

No.

Ice-T (00:38:44):

You know, everybody, you know, kept it 100, you know.

LayLaw (00:38:47):

But we got banned from [inaudible 00:38:49] seminar. They say, you niggas can never, ever, ever, ever-

Go Mack (00:38:51):

Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (00:38:52):

Sure.

Go Mack (00:38:53):

Absolutely.

LayLaw (00:38:54):

[crosstalk 00:38:54].

Speaker 4 (00:38:54):

You niggas started a riot.

LayLaw (00:38:58):

[inaudible 00:38:58].

Ice-T (00:38:58):

Nigga, I see- I seen Micheal [inaudible 00:38:59] school go shwoof.

LayLaw (00:38:59):

(laughs).

Go Mack (00:39:03):

(laughs). He took off. Like rumbling, like I'm out.

LayLaw (00:39:07):

Uh, Fred. This homebody was there. And big Fred.

Ice-T (00:39:10):

But you know, that's what it was, you know? But, uh, we still here, man.

Go Mack (00:39:14):

Yeah, we are.

LayLaw (00:39:15):

And that's the beautiful thing about it. [crosstalk 00:39:17] your first [crosstalk 00:39:17] came out in '82 or something like that?

Go Mack (00:39:18):

[inaudible 00:39:18].

Speaker 4 (00:39:19):

Who's side it was on?

Go Mack (00:39:20):

Cube's side.

Ice-T (00:39:20):

He was on Cube's side.

Speaker 4 (00:39:21):

Right, yeah. (laughs).

Ice-T (00:39:22):

Um, um ...

LayLaw (00:39:24):

That's documented like-

Ice-T (00:39:25):

And they got mad at Cube later 'cause he said Cube took Wicked from him. But you know, those- those are growing pains. Yeah. It was early. My first record was '82, Cold Wind Madness. And that happened from a- a ... I was at Good Fred's getting my-

Go Mack (00:39:43):

[inaudible 00:39:43].

Ice-T (00:39:43):

... Yeah. You know, I was getting waves.

Go Mack (00:39:46):

[inaudible 00:39:46].

Ice-T (00:39:47):

I was getting a motherfucker ... You know how the player waves [crosstalk 00:39:50]-

LayLaw (00:39:49):

Yeah, yeah. (laughs).

Ice-T (00:39:53):

The put my shit ... I put my shit up in some magnetic rollers with a lot of body. When I pulled my curlers out, my shit would crack like ... And they pump, then they ... That shit more wavy than the ships in the Navy, you did?

Ice-T (00:40:07):

So I was in there, and I was saying similar type rhymes. You know, I was, you know, mama said ... My lady say I was having scent 'cause they got more money than the US men. I ride rag top rolls, rocks on my hands, Maseratis and Mercedes-Benz, ocean liners, private jets. Bel-Air bookies place my bets. I own island off ... Islands off the coast of France. And I wear designer shirts and pants. When I was brought into this world, my mama never asked if I was a boy or a girl 'cause I rolled over to her and gave her a kiss. And she said, "Yo, daddy don't rock me like this." (laughs).

Go Mack (00:40:39):

[inaudible 00:40:39].

Ice-T (00:40:40):

So I was saying that kind of pimp shit, you know, that I was a pimp, the player, the woman layer, the hooli doula, the hoe house ruler. So I'm saying all this shit, and this guy named Willie Strong and them walked in. And they were, uh, they own VIP Records on Crenshaw, Willie Strong and Cletus Edison. They said-

LayLaw (00:41:00):

[inaudible 00:41:00].

Ice-T (00:41:01):

Like Crenshaw, up closer to Venice near Pep Boys. There used to be one up there. Like ... Yeah. Right. Can- Crenshaw, you know where Pep Boys is on Crenshaw, near Veni ... Near, um-

Go Mack (00:41:11):

[inaudible 00:41:11] going that way.

LayLaw (00:41:13):

That's Crenshaw event.

Ice-T (00:41:14):

Crenshaw ... Yeah, near the ... Well-

LayLaw (00:41:16):

I know what you talking about.

Ice-T (00:41:16):

... You know?

LayLaw (00:41:16):

I know exactly what you talking ... Yeah.

Ice-T (00:41:19):

Down- down- down on ... Down ... Near, near the harbor, near the ... Um, what's the freeway?

Go Mack (00:41:25):

Yeah, freeway.

Speaker 5 (00:41:26):

It's Washington.

Go Mack (00:41:27):

Yeah-

Ice-T (00:41:28):

Washington, right there. Right in that area. There used to be a- a VIP records there on Crenshaw, and that's the one they owned. And uh, so they say to me, they go, "Uh, you want to do something with that?" I'm like, what are you talking about? They said, "You know, we got a studio, we got music. You want to go in?"

Ice-T (00:41:45):

And literally, they put me in the car just like GMS [inaudible 00:41:50], threw me inside the Cadillac, the chauffer drove off-

Go Mack (00:41:52):

And he never came back.

Ice-T (00:41:54):

... and he never came back. (singing).

LayLaw (00:41:54):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:41:56):

Right. So they took me to the studio and they had a record by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

Go Mack (00:42:02):

[inaudible 00:42:02].

Ice-T (00:42:03):

Yeah. And there was some girls singing on it, and they pulled them off and they say, "Rhyme." And I actually went in this ... In the booth with just the rhymes and some street rhymes I had in my head, you know? Uh- uh-

LayLaw (00:42:15):

You remember the song?

Ice-T (00:42:15):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. People say that I was born to play 'cause I'm the ice tea on your sunny day. I make the goers come, the leavers stay. Lover's kiss, the workers play. The runners walk, the quiet talk. I rap so viciously I make a blind man see. I'm lady scream, the virgin's wet dream. I got the kind of moves to make the young girls cream. Now, the ladies sit there, and I- I was talking that pimp shit. You know.

Go Mack (00:42:40):

[inaudible 00:42:40].

Ice-T (00:42:40):

Just talking that shit.

Go Mack (00:42:41):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:42:41):

And so ... And-

LayLaw (00:42:41):

'82.

Ice-T (00:42:44):

... In- in- in the '82, I'm saying, "I'm a player, that's all I know. On a summer day, I play in the snow." So I was only talking about cocaine, you know, from the womb to the tomb, I run my game 'cause I'm cold as ice and I show no shame, you know? Uh, just all this player shit.

Speaker 4 (00:43:00):

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis did that.

Ice-T (00:43:01):

Well, see. No, they didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (00:43:03):

Why this nigga say he did it, Jimmy?

Ice-T (00:43:05):

Listen, the track was already made-

LayLaw (00:43:09):

By them.

Ice-T (00:43:10):

... by them. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis' track with some girls singing on it.

LayLaw (00:43:15):

And this song ain't never came out?

Ice-T (00:43:16):

Exactly.

LayLaw (00:43:16):

Okay.

Ice-T (00:43:17):

So, so Cletus and them ... I never met Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, but they own the track. So what happened is when they pulled the track and I rapped over it, it was done by Jimmy Jay and -

LayLaw (00:43:29):

In eight ... In '82, was-

Speaker 4 (00:43:30):

[crosstalk 00:43:30]. Okay. (laughs).

Ice-T (00:43:30):

You feel me? You understand?

Speaker 4 (00:43:30):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

LayLaw (00:43:33):

'82, was there Jimmy Jam and-

Ice-T (00:43:34):

Yeah, they was.

LayLaw (00:43:35):

It was, it was, it was already somebody by '82?

Ice-T (00:43:37):

There was still Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. I don't know about the time, but I know my black ass didn't know who they was. I just knew that there was a, you know, a cool beat and I was in a recording. First time I'd ever been in a recording studio. And I, like I said, I literally made the song up with the rhymes I had in my head.

Speaker 4 (00:43:55):

Head. [crosstalk 00:43:55].

Ice-T (00:43:55):

I didn't have any. And so I made the record and uh-

LayLaw (00:43:58):

What happened to that song?

Ice-T (00:44:00):

Uh, it's out. You can find it.

Speaker 4 (00:44:03):

[crosstalk 00:44:03] it came out.

Ice-T (00:44:03):

You can find it. And uh, they, uh, on Saturn Records, I think I made like $400.

LayLaw (00:44:09):

(laughs).

Go Mack (00:44:09):

You got something.

Ice-T (00:44:11):

You know? And uh, they had a contract on me. And you know, they sold it, this, that and a third. But that record, like people want to know how to, how- how- how things happened. That record made me the only we- west coast rapper ever recorded. And so the people that own the radio club where we shot Breaking and all that shit, they was some cats from Russia, was Alex [Jordanoff 00:44:37] and KK. And they was doing hip hop down there, and they brought Soul Sonic Force and [inaudible 00:44:43] and the Breakers.

Go Mack (00:44:45):

[Radiotron 00:44:45].

Ice-T (00:44:45):

The r- what was called The Radio, first. It became Radiotron once it made it to the movies.

Go Mack (00:44:49):

[crosstalk 00:44:49].

Ice-T (00:44:49):

Right. So the ra- But it was a really more like white sub culture. Hip hop was very boutique and stuff. Malcolm McLaren was in there and- and Madonna and all kinds of people, but they would do it ... They was break dancing in there. Now, when the movie came, they said we want to do it. And they didn't want to pay the radio, so they called it the Radiotron. Once again, the bullshit.

Ice-T (00:45:13):

But I get a call from them and they go, hey, you know, you have a record out. Would you like to come perform at The Radio? My first gig. So I went there and it was hip hop. And now I met The Glove. The Glove was carrying the speakers into the spot. And he was just, uh, carrying speakers. You know, he was setting up the PA, and the owner of the club, this is how Glove got his name. They told him, "Yo, we need a DJ. Can you DJ?" Yo, yeah. I can DJ. You got a DJ name? No. Nigga had on gloves, nigga you be The Glove, nigga.

LayLaw (00:45:45):

(laughs). Wow.

Ice-T (00:45:48):

He'll tell you. And he was like the house DJ. And-

Speaker 4 (00:45:53):

That's funny.

Ice-T (00:45:53):

Right. It's a true story. So he would play every night. They had the cat, Holly Watts, Jod Dub, all these different in-house things. I kept going back there after I performed. And I kind of like became like-

Speaker 4 (00:46:07):

The house MC.

Ice-T (00:46:07):

... The house MC and the main guy on the stage. So if LayLaw came in there, so you all got some bars, I would take him downstairs and I would say, "Okay, LayLaw. Do what you gotta do. Okay. Cool. All right." Yo, just flew in. His helicopter just landed in the parking lot. You know what I'm saying? Big LayLaw, you know, but Law people up in this building.

Ice-T (00:46:26):

And I don't know who the fuck you are. I'm just making this shit up and I would introduce you and you would perform. So one night I'm in the spot. He goes, the girl downstairs wants to sing. I'm like, so what's- what you want to do? Blah, blah, blah. She goes, oh you know, I got this record, Physical Attraction. I'm like, okay, cool. You know, she had a little single. I said, "Okay, let's do it." Put her on a stage with Madonna." Word, right there. So she did her little perform-

Go Mack (00:46:51):

At The Radio.

Ice-T (00:46:52):

At The Radio. You know, my girl I had at the time was all jealous because Madonna, in the middle of her show, she was touching me and shit like that.

Go Mack (00:46:57):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:46:58):

My girl looking at her, I'm like, shit. You know, but that- that- that's a true story. And uh, you know, all the breakers and sit would come there and get down 'cause it was playing that kind of music.

Go Mack (00:47:08):

Shabba Doo.

Ice-T (00:47:08):

It was ... It's kinda like ... No, not Shabba Doo. Shabba Doo didn't hang out there. This was-

Go Mack (00:47:12):

He was a Locker too.

Ice-T (00:47:13):

... He was one of the original Lockers, but he wasn't really somebody that was at the radio at the time.

Go Mack (00:47:18):

How'd he get in all that?

Ice-T (00:47:20):

Because the movie was going to get made. So Sha ... I'll tell you the Shabba Doo story. We always admired Shabba Doo 'cause he was one of the Lockers, ad that's real west coast shit. So when they get ready to make the movie, the producers walk into the move ... Into the room and go, "Oh, this is wonderful. This is culture. Let's make a movie based on this."

Go Mack (00:47:39):

Right here.

Ice-T (00:47:40):

You could be the MC. You could be the DJ. These kids will dance. So they just swallowed up everybody. Well, I guess when the movie was being made, Shabba Doo somehow got in the production and told them, "No matter what you see, I'm the original of all this."

Ice-T (00:47:59):

And so by the time Shabba Doo got put into the movie, he was like ... He just like him put himself in there. Even though he was an originator of the culture, it wasn't like he was hanging around like Shrimp [inaudible 00:48:12]. You know, they was really the young kids. I seen ... Let me take you back. I seen Shrimp popping at the workshop. Yeah, you remember the workshop that was right off of Western? So deep in the ... That's, that's the most gangster club. They had a room in that motherfucker that was just dark. It had no lights at all, at all.

Go Mack (00:48:31):

West ... Western in what?

Ice-T (00:48:32):

West ... In like- like- like probably in the 70s or something. It was- it was- it was ... Shawnee will tell you. Ask Shawnee about the workshop. One time, nigga said, "Nigga, I was in this workshop talking to a nigga for about half hour. Man, lights came on, the nigga was dead." Nigga, I just ... (laughs).

LayLaw (00:48:45):

Damn.

Ice-T (00:48:47):

I thought I heard a say, huh.

Speaker 4 (00:48:48):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:48:48):

You know, so it was fucked up. It was the gutter. It was a very hood shit.

Go Mack (00:48:53):

Oh shit. (laughs).

Ice-T (00:48:56):

But anyway.

Go Mack (00:48:56):

Oh man.

Ice-T (00:48:56):

Anyway, uh, that's how that whole happened. And after the movie was made, they said they wanted some music. So they go to Glove, and Glove says, "I can make some music." And so Glove comes to me and says, "Hey, I got this song." That's why Reckless is about Glove. And if you look at the record, it's called Chris, The Glove Tailor.

Go Mack (00:49:20):

He had already wrote it?

Ice-T (00:49:21):

No, he got the deal.

Go Mack (00:49:23):

Okay, all right.

Ice-T (00:49:23):

They got the deal.

Go Mack (00:49:24):

And [inaudible 00:49:24] is all about him 'cause-

Ice-T (00:49:24):

He got to me to rap.

Go Mack (00:49:28):

Okay.

Ice-T (00:49:29):

So it was Chris The Glove Tailor, featuring Ice-T.

Go Mack (00:49:32):

All right.

Ice-T (00:49:33):

So people was like, weren't you guys a group? No. No, we weren't a group. He was the club DJ and I was the MC.

Go Mack (00:49:39):

I always thought it was your song.

Ice-T (00:49:41):

Well, I'm just helping y'all read the fine print. Ain't that why we on this podcast?

Go Mack (00:49:45):

That's right.

Speaker 5 (00:49:45):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:49:46):

So, you know, I- Imma tell you this true story. So this is how it happened. Now, Glove didn't want to be like ... See, he wasn't really my DJ. So that's how I met the Spin Masters. So now I'm a rapper without a ... Without a DJ. And at the same time, I'm still hustling. Right? So I see these niggas at the, at the veterans audi- No, not veterans.

Go Mack (00:50:09):

Veterans Auditorium. Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:50:11):

Veterans Auditorium, they the New York city Spin Masters. And they could scratch, you know, all that.

Speaker 4 (00:50:15):

[inaudible 00:50:15] like, we hear them on the radio, the only thing that rhyme is LA.

Ice-T (00:50:18):

So I'm like-

LayLaw (00:50:19):

I was wondering how y'all hooked up.

Ice-T (00:50:21):

Yeah. So I see them at Veterans Auditorium. So I'm up in there with my perm and my shit.

Speaker 4 (00:50:25):

Leather suit on.

Ice-T (00:50:26):

Leather suit. You know, knocking bitches. And a-

Speaker 4 (00:50:28):

Porsche outside parked in a red.

Go Mack (00:50:30):

[inaudible 00:50:30].

Speaker 4 (00:50:31):

Parked in a red too, yeah. [crosstalk 00:50:33].

Ice-T (00:50:33):

I was on my bullshit. [inaudible 00:50:35] I was ... I was out-

LayLaw (00:50:35):

That's how you should be.

Ice-T (00:50:37):

I was LA hustling, you know?

Go Mack (00:50:39):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:50:39):

So I see these niggas. First off, one of their niggas, [inaudible 00:50:42], wanna battle me. Aye, yo. We from New York. I got this, that. And I was like, yo, calm the fuck down. Like we not battling right now.

Go Mack (00:50:50):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:50:50):

I said, "I need to know you, niggas." And they were very polite. They was really cool, blah, blah, blah. So they ... I end up coming to they house-

Speaker 4 (00:50:57):

[crosstalk 00:50:57] show us your bank, bank card. Like the little bank statement, you know-

Ice-T (00:51:00):

Oh yeah, the nigga tried to flex on me. I'm like, man look, man. Y'all niggas is tripping, man. Let me show you some money, right quick.

Go Mack (00:51:06):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:51:07):

You know, I ... Niggas like, oh this nigga's got cake. But anyway, I go over to they house. And then we started making routines because there were no, there were no instrumental records. So you had to really touch the brake. So, uh, Evil would make records and stuff. And Evil was more like willing to DJ. He was more MC, and [inaudible 00:51:32] was 17, right? In school.

Ice-T (00:51:35):

So once everything started to take off and we started to actually make moves, because the only reason I had not made an album yet, only reason I worked with Unknown, was 'cause I was trying to get Unknown to do their record. I was like, yo, dude. Their record. He was like, I'll do my record. You got to give me a record, so I could ... You know, give me a record. So we did, You Don't Quit. And then I was like, okay, you ready to do Spin Master record? No, no. I need another record. Give me another record.

Go Mack (00:52:04):

(laughs).

Ice-T (00:52:05):

And then we did Dog'N The Wax and 6' N The Mornin'. My man Randy Mack had the 808. And Randy Mack like, yo, nigga. Just say that shit you be saying. Like 'cause early rhyming, I was trying to rhyme like New York. I was, I was battle rhyming, talking about how tou- You know, like LL, like battle this, that. Nigga's like, say that shit, nigga. Like you be saying.

Ice-T (00:52:26):

'Cause I would say the ... Like the Hustler ones I said earlier tonight, say that. Like nobody wants to hear that shit. He says, "Say that." Right. So we put it on the ... Put the 808, and now came 6' N The Mornin', you know, just-

LayLaw (00:52:39):

So- so- so Randy Mack suggested-

Go Mack (00:52:43):

[inaudible 00:52:43].

Ice-T (00:52:43):

Yeah.

LayLaw (00:52:43):

Our- our- our homie, [inaudible 00:52:45]?

Go Mack (00:52:45):

[inaudible 00:52:45].

Ice-T (00:52:46):

Yeah. He was the one that was more like, say that shit, cuz.

LayLaw (00:52:49):

That- that's big.

Ice-T (00:52:50):

Right. So Mack said, do the Six ... Do ... Say the other shit, Tray. So I said, "Okay." We did that. And uh, I get a call. I get a call from Fillmore West. Fillmore West in Frisco. Yo, we want you to do a show up here in Frisco. I'm like, okay, cool. And then about a week later, they call back. They said, "We want ... You need to do another show." I said, "I already booked the show." They said, "That sold out."

LayLaw (00:53:17):

[crosstalk 00:53:17] off that one song.

Ice-T (00:53:19):

Yeah, so we did a double show in Fillmore. And that was it. That was it. I was like, what? They said, "That sold out."

Go Mack (00:53:26):

What's going on?

Ice-T (00:53:26):

Because what LA won't do, and we already know, they won't break an LA artist. But the Bay had no problem spinning my shit because I was just new, and they was banging it up there on [inaudible 00:53:40] whatever. And that's all it took and bow, next thing you know, I'm up there doing concerts and shit. And you know, that was the beginning.

Ice-T (00:53:49):

Now, I would go back to the radio ... I would go back to the radio where I meet as Afrika Islam. All the New York rappers were scratching their head like, why didn't you want to rap? Like you got a Porsche, you got bitches. You got ... You know, you fly-

Go Mack (00:54:05):

You [inaudible 00:54:06] already.

Ice-T (00:54:06):

We- we- we- we fucked up. We rapping about but we ain't got it like that. But I'm like, shit, nigga. I- I know, like I say, my days numbers and little digits, it's not going to last, you know? And I was, I- I ... Hip hop was infectious. Like when you got a ... Hip hop was something everybody wanted to do. It was just so dope. So I was like, learn about. So I met Grandmaster Caz, I wanted to be in a group. And Caz was like, can you rap from the beginning of the record to the end? Like yeah. You don't need to be in a group. My niggas in groups can only rap 16 bars. They can't rap the whole record. If you could rap the whole record, you're a solo artist.

Ice-T (00:54:44):

He said, "You try and be in a group, that's hustling backwards." He says, "You run the whole one now. You like Curtis Blow, you run the whole motherfucking record." I'm like, okay, cool. So I never been in a group. And so then Islam was like, when I had 6' N The Mornin', he had already gone back to New York. I was like, dog, I need you to break this record. He said, "I can't break in New York. You got to come here." And I'm like why? He said, 'cause the niggas want to see the nigga that has the record. They don't want somebody handing them a record. If you want to make an impression ...

Ice-T (00:55:15):

So I go out there. I stayed at his house on 156 in [inaudible 00:55:19]. But because he was Afrika Islam, Southern Bambada, I meet Cool ... I meet uh, uh, Red Alert. I meet Chuck Chill Out. I be [Scotla Rock 00:55:29]. I meet all the top DJs. I met New York from the top-down.

Go Mack (00:55:34):

You met Scotla Rock before that?

Ice-T (00:55:35):

Yes. I was ... I went out with Scotla Rock. I was with ... I was at Union Square with Scotla Rock, I just-

Speaker 4 (00:55:41):

We was on to- We went on a tour [inaudible 00:55:43].

Ice-T (00:55:43):

Yeah. So I- I- I- I- um, was fortunate enough to meet all those cats in New York. New York liked 6' N The Mornin', they [inaudible 00:55:53] 6' N The Mornin'. That tah, tah, tah. They used to have dance moves and shit to that. So I was like, okay, cool. They digging me.

Ice-T (00:56:03):

So then there was a guy named Ralph Cooper, who was connected to the Apollo theater. And so he pushed it, Sire Records, a compilation. Melly Mel, Grandmaster Caz, Donald D, Bronx Style Bob and Ice-T. A compilation we ... 'Cause I like to record with these niggas.

Ice-T (00:56:26):

Mel was still connected to Sugar Hill. Caz was still connected to Tuff City. Donald was connected to [inaudible 00:56:34]. Bob had never made a record, and I had made a record, but I wasn't signed. So Seymour Stein, the same guy that signed Madonna, Talking Heads and all that Warner Bros. record said, "I'll take Ice-T." He was so out of hip hop, he didn't know that if you're from LA, you can't rap. He didn't care, like-

Speaker 4 (00:56:54):

He's like, I seen a package.

LayLaw (00:56:58):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:56:58):

He just-

LayLaw (00:56:58):

I'll take that one. [inaudible 00:56:59].

Ice-T (00:56:58):

Yeah, I'll take ... Yeah. I'll take-

LayLaw (00:57:00):

[crosstalk 00:57:00] yeah.

Go Mack (00:57:01):

[inaudible 00:57:01].

Ice-T (00:57:01):

Yeah. Right. So he gave ... He ... I walk into his office to get the deal. The motherfucker tells me, he says, uh, he's gay. First off. I'm like, oh shit. Nigga looked at me. He said, "Ice-T, you have such beautiful eyes." I looked at Islam like oh shit, we got to go there? This is how it's gonna happen? Islam's like, chill, chill, chill, chill. [inaudible 00:57:22], you know? And so ... (laughs).

Speaker 4 (00:57:22):

(laughs).

LayLaw (00:57:22):

Yeah, you fuck it up. You want to say that?

Ice-T (00:57:28):

Yeah, I am. So he- he said, "Chill." So I say, "Okay." So then he says, "Ice-T, do you understand a Calypso music?" And I said, "No." He says, "Well, it's the people from Trinidad singing about their problems." He says, "But just because you don't understand Calypso doesn't make it invalid. It just means you don't understand it." I'm like, I've never heard anything more genius in my life. He's just saying just 'cause I don't understand it, doesn't mean it's stupid.

LayLaw (00:57:56):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:57:56):

It's I don't understand.

LayLaw (00:57:57):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:57:58):

And then he said, "You sound like Bob Dylan." And I respected Bob Dylan. I knew who that was. I took it as a compliment. He says, "I want you to go make an album. There'll be no ANR, there'll be nothing. I ... Just bring me the record and we'll put the record out, because there's no one around here qualified ANR rap record. We don't know what it is." Gave me $40,000. I spent like 10,000 of that on the chain, my gold gun.

Go Mack (00:58:20):

Yeah.

Ice-T (00:58:21):

Bought a SV12, a 909. And we made Rhyme Pays. So when Rhyme Pays goes in, we turn it in. He goes, oh my God, Ice. He's like ... 'Cause I have a record ... I said, "I got this one lyric, I say, "Guys, grab a girl. Girls, grab a guy. If a guy wants to guy, please take it outside." You know, this gay man is like mmm. I was like, Seymour, like I'm not gay bashing. I'm saying I'm straight. If you could ... People could say they gay, can't I say I'm straight? He's like, okay. And he says, "So aggressive. Just the ... It's ..." And he says ... I say, "Yeah, but you know ..." I say, I say, "You-"

LayLaw (00:58:59):

Who would've thought all this was going on behind his ear the first time?

Ice-T (00:59:01):

I say, "Your daughter like it?" He goes, yeah, yeah. And this is a gay man with a family. I'm not ... You know, I'm learning all the time. I'm- I'm straight out the hood, nigga. I don't know what- what's up.

LayLaw (00:59:08):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (00:59:08):

Then he goes, uh ... I said, "Seymour," I say, "That tension you feel, that nervous tension you feel," I said, "Maybe that's money." He hang the phone up. Okay. Thanks [inaudible 00:59:21]. It was. And the first album came out with a 40,000 budget, and I sold 800,000 records. So I've always been in the black, my entire rap career. You know, my ... It was, it was on.

Go Mack (00:59:33):

And that's the one in the [inaudible 00:59:34] Porsche right there?

Ice-T (00:59:35):

Yeah. And- and- and then from there, you know, I never had ANR 'cause no one could ANR, you know, they was letting it go 'cause, you know, so ...

LayLaw (00:59:45):

There was nobody that could tell you, "No, that's right. That's wrong."

Ice-T (00:59:48):

There was no one out there.

Go Mack (00:59:49):

But by the time you came out with Pusher, you had ANR and all that, right?

Ice-T (00:59:52):

Mm-mm (negative).

Go Mack (00:59:53):

No?

Ice-T (00:59:54):

No. We was just ... We was looking for shit. And so, you know, we was like, I- I was always into the Blaxploitation shit. You know, I'm Your Pusher was the first rec- When I used to be in junior high school, me and my buddy, Billy R. And rest in peace, we would steal the sister's car after we get off the bus and then drive around by the bus where the, uh, where the other kids hadn't got off the bus, [inaudible 01:00:19] in her car playing I'm Your Pusher, 'cause it was the only record that had the word nigga, in it. And we thought that was hard. (singing). (laughs). Yeah, that shit. So, so that was like one of my old favorite songs.

Ice-T (01:00:33):

So me and Islam was, was ... He was pulling out beats, you know, 'cause that's how they used to do it. They play records and you try to catch five. And his was like, I just loved all of the Blaxploitation sound. Hell up in Harlem, Truck Turn, all that shit. And so that's-

Go Mack (01:00:54):

[crosstalk 01:00:54].

Ice-T (01:00:54):

... Exactly, The Man. So that's where I'm Your Pusher came from. You Played Yourself-

Go Mack (01:01:00):

High Roller, where that come from?

Ice-T (01:01:02):

High Roller's, High Roller's ...

Go Mack (01:01:09):

Yeah. You know, I experience that shit, man. [inaudible 01:01:13], man. Who is that [inaudible 01:01:15]?

Ice-T (01:01:16):

That, I think that's the Meters. But that was that same kind of, that kind of vibe from that. But, but I'm Your Push- Uh, You Played Yourself is, uh, uh, uh, (singing).

LayLaw (01:01:25):

Yeah.

Ice-T (01:01:29):

That's Black Season, (singing). So we was all in there. So I was like that kind of like became the Ice-T sound of the Blaxploitation. With Dre, kind of took off with Parliament. You know, he ... His sig was all off P-Funk. I was the Blaxploitation. We was using that, and it- it matched my style.

Ice-T (01:01:52):

Uh, you know, I remember when I did, when I did ... I'll never forget, I- I did, uh. You Played Yourself, and somebody said, "That's you right there, right there. You know, this is it."

LayLaw (01:02:02):

Did they ask you to write Colors, or did you write Colors [crosstalk 01:02:04]?

Ice-T (01:02:05):

You got great questions. This nigga got great questions.

LayLaw (01:02:07):

'Cause, it's 'cause we know each other, you know what I'm saying? So-

Ice-T (01:02:09):

No, Colors is ... What happened was-

Go Mack (01:02:10):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:02:12):

... what happened with Colors was they were doing the movie Colors. I didn't even know about that. So they had this whole movie. And from what I understand, that [inaudible 01:02:24], they were going to shoot Colors in Chicago because they didn't know that we had gangs in LA. That year, 360 kids had died in gang homicide but in the hood. LA did not know about gangs until that little girl got killed in Westwood. When the white girl got killed in Westwood, that day, we had gangs.

LayLaw (01:02:44):

Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (01:02:45):

It was a dirty secret of Los Angeles that no one ever talked about, we never made the news. That's why I named Body Count, Body Count. 'Cause they used to say, "13 people died in gang homicides this weekend. Now, sports." I'm like, and that's all I am? A body count.

Ice-T (01:03:00):

But back to Colors. So I get a call and they go, they got this movie called Colors. They want to put Squeeze the Trigger in, of [inaudible 01:03:12]. And uh, I- I knew at that point, I'm like, well, if you want to use my mo- Record in the movie, can I see the movie? Right. I just wanted to see the movie. I wasn't trying to boss up on them, I was [inaudible 01:03:22] to see the movie.

Ice-T (01:03:24):

So I watched the movie and I was very objective, but I'm like, well the Eses don't fight black people. Like, you know, I've seen niggas doing all kinds of fake gang shit, but I was like, aight, it- it's entertainment, you know? But then ... Uh, 'cause if you watch the movie, when Cheadle ... Uh, what's his name? Cheeto? Um, he played Rock-

LayLaw (01:03:45):

[crosstalk 01:03:45].

Ice-T (01:03:45):

... Don Cheadle was Rocket. He's listening to Squeeze The Trigger in- in- in the room.

Go Mack (01:03:50):

[inaudible 01:03:50].

Ice-T (01:03:51):

Yeah. But they had this song, Colors. It was made by Rick James. Now, everything I- Imma say will always have a receipt. Check the album Colors, the last song on the B-side is a song called Colors by Rick James. And it's like, (singing).

Go Mack (01:04:08):

Okay.

Ice-T (01:04:09):

It was ... I'm like-

Go Mack (01:04:10):

I know exactly what he talking about.

Ice-T (01:04:11):

So I was like-

Go Mack (01:04:12):

[crosstalk 01:04:12] the world.

Ice-T (01:04:13):

So I heard that. I'm like, that's the title song? So, I'm like nah. So me and Is went ... 'Cause Is is my dog at this time, he's producing me and he, right now, he lives out here. So I'm like, let's go make a record. Let's go in. So we go to the studio and I'm like, we're going to redo ... I- I can write a- a gang banger song. 'Cause I know bang back and forth. I'm a ...

Ice-T (01:04:37):

So at the time, I was banging King Son, you just said his name, a song called Mythological by Kingston. And it goes, (singing). And then it comes on. He goes, when I get ill, it's a reason 'cause it's duck season, hunter of the fronter. You know? So- so I come on, I am a nightmare walking, psychopath talking. So I basically-

LayLaw (01:05:04):

[inaudible 01:05:04]. Yeah.

Ice-T (01:05:04):

... took his cadence. Now the track, uh, Is laid the track and that little ... That was a mistake. That, um-

Go Mack (01:05:13):

Who? [inaudible 01:05:13].

Ice-T (01:05:13):

... that was a ... That-

LayLaw (01:05:15):

It's- it's all the best productions have a little ... That shit happens.

Ice-T (01:05:16):

There was a feedback out of a drum machine or a lexicon space station that came out. Like what the was that? And the guy was about to mute. I'm like, leave that in there.

LayLaw (01:05:27):

Wow.

Ice-T (01:05:27):

Leave that in there. And so, and the dr- And the baseline was made on a little rolling battery-operated based line machine, that lights shot by and you would ... And you could play it ...

LayLaw (01:05:41):

Wow.

Ice-T (01:05:43):

That's all it was. And I just went in, you know. I wrote the ... I wrote the record in the, in the studio and we played that shit ... When we finished it, we played that shit like 100 times. That's how you know you got a hit record. I was like, bam. So I turned it in and they were just blown away. Like, oh shit. This definitely got to be the title. This is it.

Ice-T (01:06:08):

And uh, then they did the video. Uh, video got nominated for- for uh, MTV award. But then what they made me do to the song was do disclaimers in it, because when the record was made originally, it sounded like a pro-gang record.

Go Mack (01:06:25):

Okay.

Ice-T (01:06:25):

So that I had to do that. Yo, they shoot us and we shoot them.

Go Mack (01:06:28):

And [crosstalk 01:06:28] video after [inaudible 01:06:29].

Ice-T (01:06:29):

When I was going to do the video. We shoot them and they shoot. Yo, man. Don't join a gang, no matter what. Hey, you know ... 'Cause Ice-T and [inaudible 01:06:39] got no [inaudible 01:06:39]. That, I was forced to do that.

LayLaw (01:06:41):

Over there?

Ice-T (01:06:42):

Yeah. I ain't got no reason to lie to you, because they was nervous. It was Warner Bros. They were like, if you take all that out, it's like, [inaudible 01:06:51]. It's like, what is this nigga doing? So that was like pushing the line of gangster rap because I wasn't writing it from no don't join a gang. I was like saying, this is what gang membership is.

Go Mack (01:07:06):

Who in there whistling? Is that you whistling?

Ice-T (01:07:07):

Yeah.

Go Mack (01:07:07):

(laughs). That nigga ... That nigga did-

Ice-T (01:07:16):

You learned how to do that in the 10th grade, you know? You could do that. That at least, niggas used to fall out of the classroom. Then they'd start whistling like that. That was a call. Nigga, we about to mop somebody up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):

But you know what's funny, Ice? Lead too from Limp Bizkit, Everlast DJ and Frederick asked me about that baseline for Colors. Yeah. They was asking, "How you ... How'd you guys do that [inaudible 01:07:36]?"

Ice-T (01:07:37):

It was a little machine, wa a little machine [inaudible 01:07:40] off this.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):

What?

Ice-T (01:07:42):

Where my phone?

Go Mack (01:07:43):

The one you press some buttons on it?

Ice-T (01:07:45):

Yeah. You press the button. It ran like a Roland's machine. It would go ... Hold on one sec. Imma show you some shit, real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):

Both of them was asking me ...

Go Mack (01:07:52):

First time we went to New York, saw him ... No, I saw Donald D And Poor Righteous Teachers.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):

Oh yeah.

LayLaw (01:08:01):

I remember that.

Go Mack (01:08:01):

Nigga, that was the coldest concert ever.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):

(laughs). [crosstalk 01:08:03].

Go Mack (01:08:02):

I ain't never seen PRT.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):

Yeah.

Go Mack (01:08:04):

I knew Donald D from the ... The F.B.I. song.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You- you seen, he just ... He- he has his [inaudible 01:08:08] that was hot.

Go Mack (01:08:07):

Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):

(singing). Yeah, he was killing [crosstalk 01:08:09] that one.

Go Mack (01:08:08):

Girls.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):

Yeah. (laughs).

Go Mack (01:08:08):

Yes.

Ice-T (01:08:08):

He was in B Boys, and he did another one, stick up kids.

Go Mack (01:08:26):

I just-

Ice-T (01:08:27):

Check out this, this from the new Body Count album. (laughs). But metal. [inaudible 01:08:45] we got the metals [inaudible 01:08:46].

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):

[inaudible 01:09:07]. Rock the world colors. (laughs) nigga.

LayLaw (01:09:13):

[inaudible 01:09:13].

Ice-T (01:09:13):

You gone hear the whistling in here in a minute.

LayLaw (01:09:13):

[inaudible 01:09:13].

Ice-T (01:09:13):

It works with metal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):

It do.

Ice-T (01:09:13):

'Cause it's a heavy record.

LayLaw (01:09:13):

[inaudible 01:09:13].

Ice-T (01:09:13):

He goes so mad.

LayLaw (01:09:13):

(laughs).

Go Mack (01:10:18):

Officer, who is that? [inaudible 01:10:18] this nigga ...

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:10:22):

Yeah. So yeah, we brought it back. We also brought back ... Dig this. You gone bug off this for this new Body Count album. Watching this. You won't be ready for this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):

[inaudible 01:10:37].

Ice-T (01:10:58):

When you breakdown, you use drum.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:10:58):

So we brought it back.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):

(laughs). It's dope, it's dope.

Ice-T (01:11:17):

But what it is with Body Count is I'm out there doing my whole show, and they always want me to do Ice-T shit because it's still ... You know, that rock fans fuck with rap. So they like, so some I- And I don't have any, any of it. So now I just said, you know-

LayLaw (01:11:33):

[crosstalk 01:11:33].

Ice-T (01:11:33):

... this album, we gone do it so if they ... If they really want to fuck with me, I'm like motherfucker, I breaking the Colors and freaking you motherfuckers out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):

(laughs). Yeah, it's dope.

Go Mack (01:11:41):

Trespassing. Lay know about Trespassing. The movie, Trespassing. Know that?

LayLaw (01:11:45):

They had us audition, uh, for the part. You would've been good.

Ice-T (01:11:49):

Okay.

LayLaw (01:11:49):

Uh, I'm ready for that shit.

Ice-T (01:11:51):

Oh, the B King James?

LayLaw (01:11:52):

Yeah. And then ... And what what I did was-

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):

I watch that shit too.

LayLaw (01:11:58):

... I just, I just ... This how I did it, this how I did it. Said, "Well, I ain't reading this shit. I- I live this. I ain't doing this. Mine ... And I did it and it worked. So I came back the second time, I did it the same thing. I ain't finna read for this shit. Y'all want a real nigga that really will ... I just ... It didn't work the second time. (laughs).

Go Mack (01:12:10):

I was in another room listening, like this nigga [crosstalk 01:12:12].

LayLaw (01:12:13):

Like, like no nigga. Read the words, nigga. (laughs). [inaudible 01:12:15].

Ice-T (01:12:15):

I never knew that, see. I never-

Go Mack (01:12:17):

[crosstalk 01:12:17] too. We all read for that. Gave us, and then your cue came in. Uh, we'll call you niggas back [inaudible 01:12:23].

LayLaw (01:12:22):

(laughs).

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:12:24):

That's fucked up.

Go Mack (01:12:27):

He had the wrong.

LayLaw (01:12:28):

[inaudible 01:12:28].

Ice-T (01:12:28):

I used to always walk into auditions, and Terrence Howard would be sitting his ass off there 'cause he's a yellow looking [inaudible 01:12:34].

LayLaw (01:12:35):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:12:35):

I was like, oh fuck.

Go Mack (01:12:37):

Mark Hurd was at that audition. Um, the nigga from ... What? Mr. Cool. Well, he was just ... Lot of niggas in there. We were reading shit, then I ... Damn, [inaudible 01:12:44]. Nigga, we had [inaudible 01:12:46].

Ice-T (01:12:46):

It was funny, when I wrote New Jack Hustler, uh, after doing c- New - New York on ... I mean, uh, uh, uh New Jack city. I told him, I said, "I can't write from the cop perspective. I don't mind playing the police, but I- I- I gotta write this other one." So I said, "Let me do a song and I'll call it Nino's Theme."

LayLaw (01:13:06):

Okay.

Ice-T (01:13:06):

And that's where New Jack Hustler came from.

LayLaw (01:13:08):

Okay.

Ice-T (01:13:09):

But you know, every time I've ever turned in a project, people would've been nervous because you know, I've been on other nig- I've been on features where niggas was like yeah, but you kinda went hard, nigga.

Go Mack (01:13:21):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:13:22):

I was like, yo, dog. This is what I do. Like I can't really feature with you if you trying to get on the radio or any of that other shit, 'cause I've never been on a radio. So that's not even in my breakdown of how to make records. I used to refuse to make even ready to edits. I was like, fuck that. Like I'm ... I was just so like, this is either raw or that's just it, you know? So, you know.

LayLaw (01:13:48):

[inaudible 01:13:48] other hip hop artists?

Ice-T (01:13:50):

Huh?

LayLaw (01:13:51):

[inaudible 01:13:51] back there, [inaudible 01:13:51] hip hop artist when he was doing that, you was the only one?

Ice-T (01:13:53):

No. They ... They're punk rock lady. They're punk rock.

LayLaw (01:13:56):

Just how unique that was, man. They- they- they just took a chance on Johnny, with you, and just you brought them a gem back. You know what I mean?

Ice-T (01:14:02):

Yeah. I had- I had ... I was the only artist at Warner Bros. So I was the first west coast artist signed to a major. So they, they uh, had me and then they signed, um, tup- They signed Uptown with Puffy, and they stay at Puffy over there. He was an intern with Andre Corral.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):

Yeah.

Ice-T (01:14:21):

That's when- when Puffy used to work for Andre.

LayLaw (01:14:23):

Okay.

Ice-T (01:14:23):

And Benny Medina signed them. And so I had big daddy Kane over there. I have all the cold chilling people over there. That's when me and Kane became real close. But you know, they ... That label was into unique shit. Like I said, they signed me, they signed Talking Heads. They signed Madonna, they signed Ministry, you know, The Ramones. So they just sent to new sounds.

Go Mack (01:14:50):

And they had the Ramones.

Ice-T (01:14:51):

Yeah. Yeah. So there was, you know-

LayLaw (01:14:53):

Did- did you ... Did you compete at, um, uh, a show at Carolina West or something like that for a contract or something?

Ice-T (01:15:00):

No. No. No.

LayLaw (01:15:01):

I mean, what's that story?

Ice-T (01:15:03):

The story-

LayLaw (01:15:03):

[crosstalk 01:15:03], I heard someone-

Ice-T (01:15:04):

The story was, I was at Carolina West, and I was not trying to be a rapper at the time. I was just, had raps. Just like, I think the Carolina West was prior to me even ever making a record. This was when I was doing my- my- my good Fred rhymes.

LayLaw (01:15:22):

Okay. This is what I heard, sound dog, um, he-

Ice-T (01:15:24):

No, no. There was a contest there-

LayLaw (01:15:26):

[crosstalk 01:15:26] contest-

Ice-T (01:15:26):

Curtis-

LayLaw (01:15:26):

... Carolina West, a- a club, uh-

Ice-T (01:15:28):

That- that- that started. It opened it 9:00 and closed at 9:00. That motherfucker was the craziest-

LayLaw (01:15:33):

Yeah, that motherfucker was-

Ice-T (01:15:33):

... That was [crosstalk 01:15:33] of all time.

LayLaw (01:15:33):

Yeah.

Ice-T (01:15:35):

You know? So you go open that motherfucker. And they actually had ... Carolina West was so cold, it had, it had phones in it.

LayLaw (01:15:43):

You could call over to the other table.

Ice-T (01:15:44):

You could call-

Go Mack (01:15:45):

[crosstalk 01:15:45] in a movie, [crosstalk 01:15:47] call on a phone booth, that table to table.

Ice-T (01:15:49):

Yeah. You could a table. So you see a chic over at number 34. Yeah, baby. I see you. Know what I'm saying?

LayLaw (01:15:52):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:15:56):

I see what you doing. Check this out, like you know, we're double dutch bus coach [inaudible 01:15:59].

LayLaw (01:15:58):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:15:58):

Meet me at ... You know, meet me over there by that table. It was fly, it was fly. And they had a pool table area over the side where the pimps would be, with all the pimp hats and shit. So I was like in there and they ... Curtis Blow showed up. Curtis Blow was like the shit.

Go Mack (01:16:14):

Nigga.

Ice-T (01:16:14):

And, uh, they had, they had a contest. And so, my nigga, nigga, rap, rap, rap. I wasn't going to rap. And then niggas was whack. Like I was like, okay, I might want to rap 'cause these guys are kind of embarrassing. You know what I'm saying? So I got up, I ended up winning the contest, blah, blah, blah. But the fact Curtis Blow said I won, kinda made me believe I might be able to do it. Like, okay, he's a real rapper. And he felt I had the skills. He was like, yeah, by a landslide. You know. Ice-T, this, then the third. And I'm like, okay, cool.

Ice-T (01:16:50):

You know, and I always let him know that. You know, that was ... Those were inspirational moments in your life that- that- that send you in a trajectory. So yeah, it was at Carolina West. Then I rapped at Chevy Hills Park. I was rapping all over the place.

Ice-T (01:17:04):

Like see, when I got with Henry and them, the Spin Masters, they were doing parties. So they were the stars. So I would tag along with them and just rap and stuff. And so I kind of built my name and in the, in the cut of hay, in the ... In all the different like smaller spots by just being with them. I sometimes, I'd be on a flyer, sometimes not. So that's how it, it kind of jumped off.

Go Mack (01:17:29):

What about Water on the Bush?

Ice-T (01:17:30):

Water on the Bush was when Islam and them had been out here for a while. And so Islam decided, let's create some clubs.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):

It's popping.

Ice-T (01:17:39):

And they had-

Go Mack (01:17:39):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:17:39):

... Water the Bush [inaudible 01:17:40].

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):

Water Bush was ridiculous, man.

Ice-T (01:17:43):

And United Nations.

Go Mack (01:17:44):

Think that Jimmy [inaudible 01:17:44] will spot the Water on the Bush?

Ice-T (01:17:45):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Go Mack (01:17:45):

God know I ain't tripping, man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):

Yeah.

Go Mack (01:17:48):

I be ... I'm old, man. But I be riding-

Ice-T (01:17:49):

You were there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):

Yeah.

Go Mack (01:17:50):

That is Water on the Bush. Jimmy [inaudible 01:17:53] Water on the Bush, they'd [inaudible 01:17:54].

Ice-T (01:17:54):

Yeah. And they-

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):

[inaudible 01:17:55] lead the weapon video on that.

Ice-T (01:17:56):

And they, and that was a place where, you know, the whole concept was have a lot of rooms. So we had a reggae room, we had this room, we added that room. You know, that's when we, uh, learned that clubs were based on pussy per square foot. And it's like ...

LayLaw (01:18:10):

(laughs).

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:18:12):

The more women we put in the club, the more cats would show up. So we would stop the pond. We would make sure all the girls got in free, all girls. And we was always, you know, LA niggas never cared. We used to like white girls, black girls. That didn't ... And you from LA, nigga. You know. If it's walking, we'll fuck it. You dig? So niggas, we had it.

Ice-T (01:18:30):

And- and- and that was the whole theory of United Nations, was everybody from every place could come and you know ... And we really didn't have no real gang issues up in there. It was a very peaceful situation.

Go Mack (01:18:41):

[crosstalk 01:18:41].

Ice-T (01:18:42):

It- it was a nice, it was a nice situation up in there. You know? So ...

Go Mack (01:18:47):

You say, um, Jimmy Kim, [inaudible 01:18:49] might go on the Water on the Bush. What y'all been thinking about that [inaudible 01:18:51], nigga, that's our spot.

Ice-T (01:18:52):

I actually did a Jimmy Kim. I told him we had a club in here before, back in the day. Based out ... You know. Yeah, you know. Whatever, man. LA is, LA is ... Yeah, interesting.

Go Mack (01:19:04):

New Jack City II? You don't got no New Jack City II?

Ice-T (01:19:05):

I don't think so. I- I- I- I don't, I'm not a hater, but I think New Jack City was based in a moment in time. You know, it was ... It caught the crack era, it caught ... You know, they had troops hanging by the trashcan-

Go Mack (01:19:22):

Yeah.

Ice-T (01:19:23):

... and pulled back as boys, the men. Like, you know, they had everything, is Teddy Riley. It was that whole New Jack swing. It was, how would you do it today? It's like-

LayLaw (01:19:32):

Yeah. It- it would be hard trapping. It'd- it'd be different. It wouldn't even be-

Ice-T (01:19:35):

You like that new Superfly-

LayLaw (01:19:37):

[crosstalk 01:19:37].

Go Mack (01:19:37):

Thank you, man. I- I dint want to say it. [crosstalk 01:19:40]. Goddamn.

LayLaw (01:19:40):

It would- it would- it would be like what you just said. You got anything new you want to speak on, coming out? Any- any new project-

Ice-T (01:19:46):

Yeah.

LayLaw (01:19:46):

... you want to speak of?

Ice-T (01:19:47):

Um, oh. As far as this? Like this? No, I didn't come here to promote nothing. I mean, I- I got, um-

LayLaw (01:19:52):

I- I appreciate your time, man. [crosstalk 01:19:54].

Ice-T (01:19:54):

I- I mean, yeah. But you know what? [inaudible 01:19:56]

LayLaw (01:19:55):

You- you- you said balling first on wax. We- we did the song, you know, but you-

Go Mack (01:20:01):

[inaudible 01:20:01].

LayLaw (01:20:01):

Yeah. You- you said the word.

Ice-T (01:20:02):

Balling, 'cause-

LayLaw (01:20:03):

You can understand, that was a concept, a- a west coast concept.

Ice-T (01:20:06):

[inaudible 01:20:06] baller. You know, but I heard it from other ballers. I didn't invent the word. I- I said-

LayLaw (01:20:13):

No, we not saying that.

Ice-T (01:20:13):

I said, I-

LayLaw (01:20:13):

We saying, you put it on Wax.

Ice-T (01:20:14):

I said, I- I ... What I say? I ... And- and I must stand. I say, uh, uh (singing).

LayLaw (01:20:19):

You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (01:20:25):

You know? But the feds had another plan-

Go Mack (01:20:27):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:20:28):

... [crosstalk 01:20:28] uh, of multiple indictments. 100 years, [inaudible 01:20:31].

Go Mack (01:20:33):

Nigga, you balling? Okay.

Ice-T (01:20:34):

Yeah.

LayLaw (01:20:35):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:20:35):

But you know, my- my whole, my whole was based on telling stories without snitching, like, like, like, like keeping it just enough game that you not giving game away because niggas are still in the game. You know, I always say, people have to learn how to sell stories without implicating those that may not want that particular story told. You know?

Ice-T (01:20:59):

So, you know, I could talk about some girls that I used to hustle with and now they school teachers. Ice, what the fuck are you talking ... Know, like ... You know, so why? I don't need to. So you know, so sometimes when you're vague, but see, niggas now think, oh, if- if you're gonna keep it real ... Keeping it real does not mean snitching. Keeping it real does not mean saying every motherfucking thing that comes out your mouth. Keeping it real, i- i- i- it has nothing to do with that. Most of these niggas ain't real, they don't even have a reference point to real. They, they never been it, so they, they, they copy and fake and they call that real.

Ice-T (01:21:34):

But I- I came up on ... I- I don't, I've never had no problems. I've never had nobody double back on me. Oh, nigga, why you do this? I've always been about being 100, like being, being like, stay out of that drama. You know? That, that ain't no paper, that's nothing. And you know, I- I- I learned also how to shake niggas quick. Once I catch a nigga and I see this is a funny style, nigga, I just don't fuck with him, 'cause I'm like this nigga right here will have you ready to fuck him up? 'Cause he's on some old bullshit. So we just can't play. You know, I can't with you 'cause I see your get down. You dig? So that's cool too.

Ice-T (01:22:14):

But no, no, LayLaw. I mean, 21 years, Law & Order, people are still watching the show. It's funny though, because people say, [inaudible 01:22:21]? I say, well my fans kind of grew up to Law & Order. Like the kids that were Ice-T fans now are grown and they have ... They're adults. And so they matured with me and LL and stuff. So they're still my same fan base, they're just in another place.

Go Mack (01:22:37):

That shit Mike L. Said, don't, don't, don't, Ice-T, don't, don't, don't. [inaudible 01:22:42].

Ice-T (01:22:42):

Yeah.

Go Mack (01:22:43):

[inaudible 01:22:43].

Ice-T (01:22:43):

I was just-

Go Mack (01:22:43):

You know, Mike got God, man.

Ice-T (01:22:44):

Yeah. Mike, it's going to, uh, we're actually doing something with Mike. We're trying to call the Art of Comedy. So after the Art of Rap, I want Mike-

LayLaw (01:22:53):

Oh, we got another doc coming out with-

Ice-T (01:22:54):

Huh?

LayLaw (01:22:55):

Another documentary coming up with [inaudible 01:22:57].

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):

The show.

Ice-T (01:22:59):

Yes. Based on that, but based on-

LayLaw (01:23:00):

Oh, you're going to tour with it?

Ice-T (01:23:01):

Two.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):

[crosstalk 01:23:02] comedy fairs. And a tour.

Ice-T (01:23:04):

We got-

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):

And a tour.

Ice-T (01:23:04):

... And a tour. So we have the Art of Rap. We had Art of Rap: Latino. Right? Then we have Art of Comedy shows, but then Mike, we're going to do the film.

LayLaw (01:23:15):

Okay.

Ice-T (01:23:15):

where Mike will interview Dave Chappelle, Eddie, you know. But we're going to ask them, how do you do comedy? Not like we say, not the money, not to jewels, not the cars, not- not the beef. Where are you when you write you're ... Just like what you do in there. That, the art of it, where does it come from? Pain? You know, like- like- like Tracy Morgan told me that, you know, he had a brother that was handicapped and you know, instead of crying, he had to become funny. You know? So a lot of com- comedians, it comes from pain, you know?

Ice-T (01:23:45):

And, uh, so that's another concept to do the Art of Comedy, because it hasn't been done. So that, Law & Order again, 21 years, new Body Count album drops March 6th for ... You know, believe it or not. You know, people are, black people don't listen to r- Yeah, they do.

LayLaw (01:24:02):

Oh, I love rock and roll.

Ice-T (01:24:02):

They do. So we got the new Body Count album. It's called Carnivore. Uh, it's heavy music with Ice-T lyrics on top of it. Um, I just dropped a couple of singles, uh, Too Old For the Dumb, and Feds in My Rear View, just for the fuck of it. I have one more song called-

Go Mack (01:24:21):

Call it some dumb shit, [inaudible 01:24:22].

LayLaw (01:24:21):

Yeah.

Ice-T (01:24:23):

And- and then I got one more song called the hanging, which is the- the- the end of the trilogy 'cause people was like, do an album. Well, I don't feel do like an album, I'll just do something different. So I said, "Maybe I'll do three songs that connect like a film." You know? So that was something. And, um, anything else [inaudible 01:24:44]?

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):

Your [inaudible 01:24:44].

Ice-T (01:24:44):

Yeah, got artists. You know, Fetty DeMarco, a young kid out of Watson, that I've been working with for like 15 years, but the kid is dope. Like he's like a true sound, like a Tupac type, but he's real gangster. He's from Imperial Courts. So much, so many bars, so much dope. We got a kid from- from Mdot, from Detroit we fucking with, he's good. I got a singer named Zain, that I just played for Dre. Dre nutted up and said, "Ooh, what, we. I fuck with him." When Dr. Dre says he'll fuck with you, that damn nigga gives you, gives you a gold record. Just somebody, just knowing it off top that he even feels-

LayLaw (01:25:22):

[crosstalk 01:25:22] play one record.

Go Mack (01:25:22):

[inaudible 01:25:22], what you call it, whiz?

Ice-T (01:25:22):

Huh?

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):

Yeah.

Go Mack (01:25:25):

Called Dr. Dre a whiz.

Ice-T (01:25:25):

Obama.

Go Mack (01:25:28):

(laughs). We call him Zeus. Nigga, [inaudible 01:25:29] go to see Zeus.

Ice-T (01:25:30):

I mean, you know, you got to see it with Obama. You know, that nigga, you got to have-

LayLaw (01:25:33):

[crosstalk 01:25:33] the whiz, I need some courage, (laughs) I need [crosstalk 01:25:33].

Ice-T (01:25:33):

That.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):

He said Obama.

Ice-T (01:25:37):

I felt like ... I felt it was like going to see the president.

LayLaw (01:25:39):

Dre move like the president, real talk.

Ice-T (01:25:41):

Yeah.

LayLaw (01:25:41):

When Dre, when Dre caravan out, Dre move like the president.

Ice-T (01:25:44):

Yeah.

LayLaw (01:25:44):

Have you ever seen how Dre move?

Ice-T (01:25:45):

Uh-uh (negative).

LayLaw (01:25:47):

Multiple cars, all this, all that. Dre move like the president, man.

Go Mack (01:25:51):

You got to get clearance for this level of clearance [inaudible 01:25:52].

Ice-T (01:25:53):

Hey, you know, it's only right though, but he earned it. I mean, I- I- I-

Go Mack (01:25:57):

[crosstalk 01:25:57].

Ice-T (01:25:57):

... I named, I name Dr. Dre the- the- the Quincy Jones of our era.

LayLaw (01:26:01):

Yeah, yeah.

Ice-T (01:26:02):

Uh, everything he touched from- from- from NWA, all the way to making J.J. Fad go platinum, all the way to- to- to touching Eminem, touching 50, touching Game.

Go Mack (01:26:13):

Anderson.

Ice-T (01:26:13):

You know? Yeah, yeah. They're pack, new cats.

LayLaw (01:26:16):

Kendrick.

Ice-T (01:26:17):

Snoop, Kendrick.

LayLaw (01:26:18):

You know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (01:26:19):

You know the man. He- he's what it is, as far as the west coast goes. And I can't really think of any other producer in hip hop that can compare to his- his- his- his- his ... Uh, to him.

LayLaw (01:26:29):

Yeah.

Go Mack (01:26:29):

Yeah.

Ice-T (01:26:30):

You know? I mean, you got the premiers, you got the puffs, you got all these other cats, but not like they don't have the track record Dr. Dre has and no-

Go Mack (01:26:38):

Criteria.

Ice-T (01:26:38):

Huh?

Go Mack (01:26:39):

Like criteria is the way up here.

Ice-T (01:26:40):

No, it's not.

Go Mack (01:26:41):

[crosstalk 01:26:41].

Ice-T (01:26:42):

But it's, it's solid. It's solid. You know? So, you know. I- I- I look at ... Like, I look at Russell Simmons in a special way, because I know Russell and Def Jam made hip hop something that was needed. It was like a- a big thing. Def Jam, that's part of hip hop, and Russell and them did that. God bless them.

Ice-T (01:27:04):

See, you gotta understand that whoever's doing it to create the place for you to live, you owe them. So, you know, when I see 50 Cent when with Power, and now went on ... That means we could walk in with a fucking deal, you know, of- of something. They're opening doors. It's not being haters.

Ice-T (01:27:25):

Like motherfuckers is making opportunities. If we go out and lose, they not fucking with you. If you go out and ... If people win, if your podcasts wins, they ... People, more people get action. So when you see I'm so happy what 50's doing. No, I remember I went to 50's thing and he said, "Ice, man. I'm trying to get off of this. Yeah, I'm trying ... Yeah, basically, I'm trying to do what you doing." I'm like, okay. You know, you 50 Cent, nigga, what you doing?

Ice-T (01:27:52):

But he meant, he was getting ready to go this way into the production of films and television. He's killed it. And Power was a quality show. It's- it's- it's good quality shit. Look what Cube did with all his films and all this stuff. So all of us together, we're breaking barriers and we're spreading the game now. You know, and that's what you supposed to do, you know, as a real live player. If you a sucker, you know, go cuddle up under your bitch and suck your thumb, nigga.

Ice-T (01:28:23):

You know, like I don't got no time for all that old hate bullshit. That's corny, man. When you feel it ... But see, envy, envy is- is ... We're humans. So it's a normal thing, you know. But you have to address that. You know, you have to address that. Like, why am I ... Why- why am I mad at this man? You know? Why? And if you calling a nigga a sucker, well, if he's a sucker, then why aren't you doing it? If he- if he's so whack, then what are you saying about yourself, nigga? You know?

Ice-T (01:28:50):

So, so, so what I do is I just say, certain things ain't my flavor, certain things ain't my taste. But I- I'll never speak down. Like, um, when I got myself involved with the Soldier Boy shit, I ... At the end of the day, I felt real stupid because there's no way a guy my age should ID with a 16-year-old kid's music. It's just not meant to be.

Go Mack (01:29:14):

[inaudible 01:29:14].

Ice-T (01:29:14):

It's not meant to be.

LayLaw (01:29:15):

Yeah, I mean, I was ...

Ice-T (01:29:17):

It's just not ... But you have to learn. You have to think about it. Sometimes you gotta make the mistake and say, "Why would, you know, a guy my age be able to ID with it? I might not like it." You know, 'cause, what's- what's- what ... W- what- what's the word they allowed to use? Uh, uh, you try to stay relevant. Relevance is perspective. Relevance, what's relevant to you might be to, uh, uh, to a kid might be the new Jordans. What's relative to Dre might be the price of jet fuel. Two different players. You see what I'm saying?

Ice-T (01:29:54):

So whatever, if you're selling real estate over there, what's relevant to you is how much I can get this track more for. Fuck the new sneaker. It's not in my realm. So when you say what you're relative ... Relevant to what or who? You know what I'm saying? A real nigga will always be relevant to real niggas. You know? You don't have to have the hottest new record out, this, that. Like you said, priest, nigga. You ... Priest-

Go Mack (01:30:20):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:30:20):

... that's- that's ... So that- that's it. He's always. That's- that's ... That's that nigga.

Go Mack (01:30:25):

[inaudible 01:30:25].

Ice-T (01:30:26):

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You can't, but you know. If you try to be relevant to just the new trendy people, I'm not ... That's not my, that's not my target audience, you know, that's ... I- I don't really care about that, you dig? I want to be relevant to real motherfuckers. You know, niggas that really been through some shit.

Go Mack (01:30:44):

That's right.

Ice-T (01:30:44):

So that's, that's ... You know, and I've never, ever been challenged by a real nigga. I've never had no real nigga come and, yo nigga, you play the police.

Go Mack (01:30:55):

Fuck that. It's dumb as fuck.

Ice-T (01:30:59):

I've never had that. It's always somebody corny. And you know, it's like square white people like to tell you, you ain't hood. Like (laughs).

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):

Oh, that's funny, man.

Go Mack (01:31:07):

For real?

Ice-T (01:31:07):

What do you mean? Like you have a concept what hood is. Any motherfucker-

Go Mack (01:31:11):

He don't know nothing.

Ice-T (01:31:13):

... [crosstalk 01:31:13] a- a little nerd. You ... Those are the people that want to try to check you-

LayLaw (01:31:16):

Yeah.

Ice-T (01:31:16):

... you know? But never no street cats. 'Cause they understand. They like, yo man. Shit, nigga, we all try to get the fuck ... Ain;t it funny though, how we're trying to get out and niggas is trying to get in?

LayLaw (01:31:26):

Yeah. [crosstalk 01:31:26]. Moving back, yeah. I seen that.

Ice-T (01:31:26):

When I see these kids that ... These, these artists and they're big wealthy people and they want to join gangs. I'm like ...

LayLaw (01:31:36):

We was talking about that on our way down here.

Go Mack (01:31:40):

What is you thinking? [inaudible 01:31:40] that shit by just oh yeah, I fuck with y'all y'all. My color is green, but I'm gonna fuck with both of y'all because y'all know ... 'Cause I can't not sell to these niggas 'cause these niggas [inaudible 01:31:48]. I [inaudible 01:31:48] cut my money down 'cause I'm from here? No, man. All y'all just come [inaudible 01:31:54] we all family.

Ice-T (01:31:54):

I- I think what it is, is they don't truly know what it is. They- they see it. It's like you could watch a Mafia movie and think you want to be in the mafia, not knowing that you're ... The guy sitting next to you is going to blow your brains out after dinner. You can think that you want to be in a gang not never really knowing what it is. So I think that they're, they're kind of looking at the illusion of it and not knowing. And I try to tell them as much as I can. I'm like, you don't ... I tell him, I say, you know, "I'm not your role model. My road's too dirty to follow. Know, every phone call is another case of death or life. You know, I try to struggle with the paradox of wrong and right. And since I live by the gun, will I die by the knife?"

Ice-T (01:32:39):

You know? So I'm always caught in this thing. And that's really ... That's really what Ice-T is. If you wonder what I have been doing this whole time, Go Mack, is ... And we'll end it on this. It's like I was running down the street of hustling, and I was running with all the players and all the gangsters. And I got to the end and that's a cliff, and niggas was going off the cliff to the penitentiary, they's dying.

Ice-T (01:33:06):

And my career is me turning around and running back up the road saying, "Don't go that way. My nigga. Aye, yo. Yo, yo." But niggas is still running past me.

Go Mack (01:33:15):

Jumping off that cliff.

Ice-T (01:33:15):

But I'm like, don't go, don't go. That's Ice-T. That's me. Now you, you know, well, why ... I- I can't promote it consciously, because my niggas in the penitentiary's like, nigga, nigga. What you telling these niggas to do, nigga, like what's happening?

Ice-T (01:33:32):

I've always had people that could hold me accountable for every word I say. So I was like, you know, so we'll end it on that, man. You know, if you out there, you listening to this and you don't get nothing out of it, man. You know, get your hustle up, man. Don't break the law. Don't let these motherfuckers stick you behind the motherfucking walls for the rest of your life.

Ice-T (01:33:51):

Uh, you know, there's nothing more important than freedom, liberty and health. Get tho- If you got those three things, any thing can happen, man. But like Shawnee Shawn told me, man, you gotta be out here when it pops off. If you in there, don't matter if it pops off, but you gotta be here when it goes down. And it could go down at any moment. Right now, it went down, you dig what I'm saying?

Go Mack (01:34:13):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:34:13):

But you ... You don't want to be seeing this on motherfucking YouTube in a motherfucking cell and no shit like that.

Go Mack (01:34:19):

That's my nigga right there.

Ice-T (01:34:20):

Yeah.

LayLaw (01:34:21):

We- we appreciate your time, man. We're going to wrap it up. Know what I'm saying?

Ice-T (01:34:24):

Okay. You niggas came, and this is the wildest production of all time though.

Speaker 7 (01:34:25):

Wait, hold on, man. Hold on, man. Hold on.

Ice-T (01:34:25):

Okay, we'll chill.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):

Real quick, real quick.

Go Mack (01:34:26):

[crosstalk 01:34:26].

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):

[crosstalk 01:34:26] you know-

LayLaw (01:34:26):

No, you ... Go ahead, man.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):

... can't ask just one question?

LayLaw (01:34:26):

Yeah, you can ask several. You was supposed to be sitting up in here then.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):

Then we got two more artists, man. Artists, man. One from Misi- Minneapolis? He's ... I mean, Missouri. His name is six CZ, and a Mexican cat named Nammy, also.

LayLaw (01:34:44):

There it is.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):

Nammy from um, um, um-

Ice-T (01:34:44):

Okay. Player in the [inaudible 01:34:44].

LayLaw (01:34:44):

No, wait. This- this is our fam, man. This is [inaudible 01:34:46].

Ice-T (01:34:46):

Come on. Go baby, go. Go while I'm here.

Speaker 7 (01:34:53):

Look, juice, you know-

Ice-T (01:34:54):

Pimp juice.

Speaker 7 (01:34:56):

Look, man. from the cloth, the cloth has, you know, there's a few cats who the cloth just respects and- and always doves homage to. Like you could walk on any blade, and the motherfucker would, you know, throw appease to you and come, you know, church game with you, man. And so, uh, with that being said, one thing that floats around the circle is, um, you know, there's a few remarkable active been pulled out by some [inaudible 01:35:19]. Um, one of the things that's talked about in the circle is this thing about, uh, Karen, how she gives you these prompts and her memoirs about Stephen, Super Hayden.

Ice-T (01:35:29):

Dear God. Dear God.

Go Mack (01:35:32):

(laughs).

Ice-T (01:35:32):

[inaudible 01:35:32] want to talk about her for?

Speaker 7 (01:35:35):

I don't know nothing about the Islam, other than she gives you the prompts, the lace in her tennis shoes, which, uh, enunciated her to go on this spree of breaking in and extorting. You get what I'm talking about. And I just wanted to know if it was a valid situation or if you wanted to even church on the validity of the situation?

Ice-T (01:35:51):

No. (laughs).

Go Mack (01:35:51):

That's dope.

Ice-T (01:35:52):

No, no, no.

LayLaw (01:35:56):

And we good.

Ice-T (01:35:57):

No.

Speaker 7 (01:36:00):

Okay, okay.

Go Mack (01:36:00):

[inaudible 01:36:00], that's my nigga, I love him. Yeah, let me get my shot just right.

Ice-T (01:36:02):

I didn't even know homegirl was still in ... In- in- in- in the business or out there, whatever.

LayLaw (01:36:07):

Ice, I-